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Attack of the Weirdly Expensive Stores

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Thursday Styles has a piece on the Theory store in the Meatpacking District. Normally the “gee-whiz, we’ve never been in a store before� column is kind of trying, but today’s article is actually kind of true.

“For me, high prices are justified if I can fool myself into thinking that something is a luxury brand or created by some mastermind with a unique vision of the world. The clothes here do not offer as much wit, passion or unity of theme as could be had for the same amount at, say, Marc by Marc or John Varvatos.�

This got us thinking about other stores that seem overly expensive, considering the quality and the cachet of the brand. And we thought of a serious offender….

Anthropologie.

OK, yes, they usually have cute stuff, but why is it so expensive? It’s basically a more floral Urban Outfitters (owned by the same company), but everything costs five times as much.

A few weeks ago, we stopped by the Fifth Avenue store, and they had the nerve to charge a sale price of $60 for a patterned canvas sundress.

It was nice and everything, except that it was completely ripped along the hem on one side! (All of them were, I think it was some kind of design flaw). Sixty dollars for a torn-up dress? Come on.

Faran thinks Banana Republic’s accessories are shamefully overpriced - you could get a bag at the Prada outlet for less than what they charge! What other stores do you think are fleecing?

—ALISON COOL

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posted by michope

Jun 14, 2007 10:00AM

j. crew. some of their pricing is hilarious. oh, and aldo got in the habit of selling $400-500 shoes a couple of seasons ago. I can not imagine buying a pair of Aldo shoes overa pair of Miu Miu's or Jimmy Choos at that price.

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posted by Allison

Jun 14, 2007 10:00AM

Banana has good sales on their accessories. I bought a nice $325 leather tote bag for $140 during a sale.

I've mentioned this before, but J. Crew is a serious offender in the accessories department (and oftentimes their apparel).

$300 for a pair of jeweled flat thong sandals from JCREW? Who do think they are; Manolo? The shoes can't be that fabulously constructed because they also sell $15 flip-flops.

I've always thought that about Anthropologie: great clothes, ridiculous prices.

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posted by JoJo

Jun 14, 2007 10:03AM

Nine West's shoes are too expensive for their shoddy craftsmanship. I've seen Payless shoes hold up better. Same goes for Aldo.

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posted by Ilene

Jun 14, 2007 10:03AM

well any company who makes their clothes in china is obviously over charging. or any shoe company, for that matter.
i bought a cute pair of shoes in shanghai for 3$ (!!!) which looked like they were from steve madden. i actually can't justify spending $80 on a pair of cheap flats from there anymore; i'd rather go the extra mile and splash out for repetto/french sole because i know that they are well made and will last longer.

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posted by leslie

Jun 14, 2007 10:30AM

j. crew is getting a little too pricey for me - they have dresses now that run around $400 .. if i'm paying that much for a dress it will not be from j. crew

** i do however really like anthropologie and can always find things in there for around $100

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posted by Erin

Jun 14, 2007 10:36AM

I couldn't agree more with the J Crew angle.

When did their skirts go up to $100!?

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posted by anon

Jun 14, 2007 10:42AM

can we please mention stella mccartney NON LEATHER accessories going for $1,000+?

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posted by Kittyblanchette

Jun 14, 2007 10:50AM

I just laugh hysterically when I see the J Crew catalog. I agree with you on Anthropologie too, but their sales are usually somewhat reasonable.

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posted by LvH

Jun 14, 2007 10:53AM

Jumping on the JCrew bandwagon, although in their defense they do have great sales especially online, and those $400+ Talitha dresses were to die for.

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posted by guest

Jun 14, 2007 10:58AM

J. Crew pricing is really really hit or miss. sometimes it's actually pretty reasonable (good quality cashmere, for ex, for under $200) but i agree that overall it has gotten really pricey. i think they might be trying to distance themselves from the gap or something, but i need to see quality improve before i'll spend more. they do have alot of sales and outlets, though.

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posted by Allison

Jun 14, 2007 11:02AM

I've noticed the sales at J. Crew online, but a lot of times its final sale... that's my only issue. As a petite person, their clothes don't always fit.

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posted by anonymous

Jun 14, 2007 11:19AM

Yes. The J.Crew sale prices are good but I usually don't buy from them because of the sales final and the fit is so tricky. I have J.Crew skirts in three sizes which all fit.

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posted by luisa

Jun 14, 2007 11:28AM

hhmmm, I like Theory's pants, and Anthropologie sells clothes from a lot of different designers, like Tracy Reese and Anna Sui...clothes you can get in other stores as well...LOL, I love anthropologie and their website, you can always find something girly and cute there, and they always have cute things on sale. I did not know that it was owned by the same company as Urban Outfitters, so thanks.
My beef with J. Crew is that like within two months of shopping for ANTYTHING there, it will show up on their site for like 50% off or something...it makes it not worth it to get anything full price there, because you feel like an idiot when it goes on sale for like a fraction of the price.

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posted by luisa

Jun 14, 2007 11:37AM

Oh, and I remember reading an article about J. Crew's management trying to shift the company into more of a luxury brand...notice the special higher priced "collection" stuff they have every season now...

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posted by London Girl

Jun 14, 2007 11:39AM

This is why I don't bother with the high street (except indulging a dirty cheap shoe itch at Office) - watch the sales, the discount stores and eBay, and you can get beautifully-made McQeen and Vuitton and things for the same price as JCrew. I got a leather McQueen trench - runway sample - for the same price as the JCrew Talitha dress.

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posted by guest

Jun 14, 2007 11:42AM

Yeah, J. Crew has been pretty public about their rebranding efforts. In their defense, if I have to shell out for a bridesmaid's dress, theirs are totally cute and within a reasonable price range. Dunno about a wedding dress...but their collection stuff has supposedly been pretty successful.

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posted by Eli

Jun 14, 2007 11:46AM

There is a Theory outlet in Las vegas, even still their sale prices are like 70 bucks and up. The same thing goes for a few other stores there - Elie Tahari, Max Studio, French Connection. But I guess that's the trick that outlets play on you when the store is pricey to begin with.

We are forgetting that Urban itself sometimes has ridiculous prices. Especially their "urban renewal" crap.

Lucky brand is another store that overcharges for their quality of their clothes...and they never really have anything special, and the things they do are hand made and cost a few hundred bucks.

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posted by guest

Jun 14, 2007 11:54AM

Club Monaco makes a pair of pants absolutely identical in every way to Theory's popular Max C and it costs maybe 100-110 dollars and they do it every season and they often end up on sale. Theory's prices are bogue, folks.

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posted by London Girl

Jun 14, 2007 11:57AM

"Lucky brand is another store that overcharges for their quality of their clothes."

Yes, but they're the only place my skinny, stupidly tall rocker boyfriend can find 31-waist, 37-inch inseam jeans other than Dior Homme... but agreed on the general overpricedness/averageness of the rest of their gear.

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posted by knowitall

Jun 14, 2007 12:33PM

does anyone else think that H&M isnt as cheap as it used to be?? the other day i picked up a slightly, but obviously see-thru dress and asked the price and it was 50 bucks! i mean SERIOUSLY? 50 bucks for something im going to see 100 other chicks walking down prince st wearing? and what about 69 bucks for a "lace" dress?

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posted by MH

Jun 14, 2007 12:40PM

London Girl, if you're in NYC have him try G-Star. My little brother is 6'6", wears a 30 inch waist and a 36 inch inseam, and I found him jeans there. Their salesgirls absolutely swoon at the chance to dress tall and skinny to the extreme.

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posted by ilovefashion2much

Jun 14, 2007 12:56PM

Mayle. I know its expensive to produce the collection, but she has gone from $325 for a dress to $645. Explains why the store is onsale @ 40% off so early in the season. Plus it seems like a large percentage of her collection is made in China. Maybe if she lowered her prices by $100 then her clientel could afford her again. Can anyone say super sample sale coming soon?

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posted by ilovefashion2much

Jun 14, 2007 12:56PM

Mayle. I know its expensive to produce the collection, but she has gone from $325 for a dress to $645. Explains why the store is onsale @ 40% off so early in the season. Plus it seems like a large percentage of her collection is made in China. Maybe if she lowered her prices by $100 then her clientel could afford her again. Can anyone say super sample sale coming soon?

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posted by London Girl

Jun 14, 2007 12:59PM

MH, thanks so much! I'm actually in London but he and I are going to NY next week and will definitely go check out G-Star.

(It's not *that* hard finding long-inseam mens jeans in the US but 99% of the ones are "relaxed" eg gross. DAMN YOU, MIDDLE AMERICA, AND YOUR UGLY BAGGY JEANS. Also, why the hell can't Levis get their act together? Also also, I need to get a soda and not go on a jeans rant. )

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posted by MH

Jun 14, 2007 1:07PM

Hah, yeah, he'll like their denim then, its cut pretty lean. My brother's only 18 and totally disgusted by the idea of tight jeans, and it was actually a battle to find a pair that were somehow loose in the leg and didn't fall right off him--they were very helpful. The store is at Prince and Lafayette in Soho.

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posted by mm

Jun 14, 2007 1:10PM

i completely agree about banana republic and j. crew! personally j crew clothes fit me werid too and i can't justify spending 40 bucks on a plain black cardigan when i can get one for h&m for soo much less .. anothe store that is extremly overpriced is bebe .. personally i hate the clothes there but the tanks tops with just the bebe on it are like 35 bucks! talk about riduclous in both style and price

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posted by Heidi

Jun 14, 2007 1:50PM

Arden B - hands down in my opinion - has the most overpriced crap clothes ever.

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posted by fleur de lys

Jun 14, 2007 2:05PM

Along the same lines as Anthropologie, one of the lines they carry, Velvet, is horrifically overpriced. I mean, the clothes are gorgeous and comfy and all, but the prices are obscene.

Also, I find Gap to be ridiculously overpriced for what it is. When I was in high school and shopped there more frequently, I had items ranging across four sizes that all fit me.

One tip for savvy shoppers, though: your local Loehmann's (should you have one) will probably have a rack or two of Theory in the Back Room. They also carry Velvet, Vince, Robert Rodriguez, Philosophy di Alberta Ferretti, and a number of other lines, with surprising regularity and more reasonable prices.

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posted by Justine

Jun 14, 2007 2:08PM

I love Jcrew but they get more and more expensive every season especially shoes. Sorry but I just cant justify more than 200 on them...

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posted by scarlettholly

Jun 14, 2007 2:10PM

arden b and bebe are the main offenders in the US for me. In the UK, its french connection and karen millen. Plus their stuff always falls apart.

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posted by cl

Jun 14, 2007 2:17PM

True story about Anthro - I used to work there. Be weary of what you buy there, a lot of stuff falls apart easily and their jewelry (in the cases) is not really worth what it costs

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posted by Laura

Jun 14, 2007 2:32PM

I had never looked at Arden B's stuff until someone above mentioned it.

EW! It's like they took the ugliest crap from Rainbow/Strawberry/Whatever-they-have-in-your-city, and tripled the prices.

Who buys that stuff?

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posted by H

Jun 14, 2007 2:54PM

I was recently in a jcrew outlet in Jersey (just passing through, I swear!). I was actually really impressed by the inventory, far better than what I remembered it being in the past. Although, it is your typical outlet scam of clothes made just for the outlet, all of the pieces were based on the basics you could find in the stores from season to season. It was really well made too. I got a cute shirt dress for $50 (on sale) and have gotten nothing but compliments when I've worn it. The point is, wait for the sales or check out the outlets again, they may surprise you.
As for Anthropologie, I only shop there once a year--after Christmas, with the returns money from what my parents bought me.

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posted by Chels

Jun 14, 2007 2:57PM

J.Crew is a brand I can justify spending money on for certain things. I think their quality is really good for the price and I've had piece for years and they still look new. Their outlet store, though? Not so much.

I like Anthropologie, but mostly for home stuff. There are certain brands I'll buy there if they're on sale. I think Velvet stuff is cute, but I'll only buy it if it's on second mark-down and non-generic.

I love Theory's clothes, but I can't justify their prices, even on sale. The one thing I've ever gotten there was a pair of patent leather orange flats--mismarked at $20.

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posted by Lolita

Jun 14, 2007 4:08PM

Anon's comment about Stella McCartney stuff made me think of Michael Korrs's department store line of bags. They usually average about $300 to $500, have no leather, use weak metal in the hardware, and use the silver that flakes and rubs off with any use. I bought a couple on closeouts, and they looked nice at the time. They're so horribly made - the buckles and snaps broke and the silver came off the hardware, so they look old and worn-out with just minimal carrying, and I've never had any bag do that before. I would never get another even if it was free!

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posted by tmm

Jun 14, 2007 4:27PM

Anthropologie jewelry is crap. I got a ring for christmas last year (the huge seed pearl ring) and the pearl started flaking off within one day. Three days later the underside was visible from a distance. I returned it to get the ring w/ three balls of gold and it is now super faded. I take off my ring everytime I put my hands near water. BTW, the damaged pearl ring was put back out on the sales floor.

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posted by tmm

Jun 14, 2007 4:28PM

Anthropologie jewelry is crap. I got a ring for christmas last year (the huge seed pearl ring) and the pearl started flaking off within one day. Three days later the underside was visible from a distance. I returned it to get the ring w/ three balls of gold and it is now super faded. I take off my ring everytime I put my hands near water. BTW, the damaged pearl ring was put back out on the sales floor.

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posted by Campbell

Jun 14, 2007 6:46PM

I never buy non-sale stuff at Anthropologie and JCrew. It's completely ridiculous--don't they know the market is already way too full of unaffordable clothing and accessories?

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posted by serena Berry

Jun 14, 2007 7:34PM

bebe!!

everytime I go there their stuff is ripped, has discusting wrinkles, uncomfortable material, just overall discusting and they price it at like $100.

There is no worse offender than bebe, just plain gross.

Also sometime urban outfitters has like oddly expensive stuff and I'll see it all later put in the slae section because they ripp in the same place

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posted by Annmarie

Jun 15, 2007 1:00AM

My old roommate worked for J Crew (circa 2004, when the prices started to climb) and they made her sit through presentations about how they wanted to compete in the new upscale market and their new competition would be brands like "Seven, Theory, Saks" and I cant even think of who else. They had to look at the other designers and compare them, quality- and price-wise, to make sure they stayed on-message. Granted the store was in the Midwest, so who knows what the deal is out there, but still...

p.s. in high school I used to be in love with Arden B- sometimes they have really amazing seasons where everything is gorgeous, and sometimes they go years with out one decent dres. Either way, the outlet in Woodbury Commons is super-cheap and makes a lot more sense.

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posted by guest

Jun 15, 2007 2:16AM

ARDEN B!!! it makes me angry just thinking about it...

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posted by ACE

Jun 15, 2007 6:07AM

i always thought theory was ridiculous based on how uncreative material/cut are, but working on wall st. this summer i have to say, spending x amount for a suit i can wear every couple of days and look ok is so worth it, vs. buying marginally acceptable pieces from banana, club monaco, etc which decidedly have their own unique problems.

that said, i'm all for century 21 and finding great deals on unusual clothes, but for basics, theory is on to something...

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posted by astralgirl01

Jun 15, 2007 5:39PM

Stella McCartney is TRIPPING balls, IMHO!

How can you charge $800 for a pair of plastic stilettos???

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posted by Ren

Jun 16, 2007 11:56AM

I used to work for Anthropologie, and I completely agree: overpriced for crappy quality. Sure, the clothes are totally cute, but no worth shelling out over 100 dollars for something that will rip the moment you wear it. That's why Anthro's return policy is so forgiving - because the quality is so bad, people have to return it. Also, whenever a customer returns something that is damaged, it goes right back to the racks with perhaps 10% off, even if all the buttons are missing. Cute clothes, but the quality is apalling.

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posted by sll

Jun 16, 2007 12:26PM

I've found slightly nicked clothing at Anthro (chalk marks, loose threads) then bartered prices down 15% to 20%. That's a much more satisfying way to shop.

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posted by gigi

Jun 17, 2007 6:29PM

I find French Connection to be appallingly overpriced - esp their hideous logo tees that are trying to be shocking/coy. FCUK - so tired.

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posted by Clar

Jun 18, 2007 9:09AM

I will also add that as a former employee, I have experienced the horrible quality of Anthropologie house brands first-hand. But non-house brands like Nanette Lepore and Velvet are really nice to find on sale at an anthro store!

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posted by Mary

Jun 18, 2007 3:57PM

J.Crew and other stores are trying to compete with haute couture designers like marc jacobs. So J.Crew and Anthro get you to believe that since it cost more, it is of better quality and their is a demand for it. J Crew want to show they are more high end and fashionable from their previous years. I have been a J.Crew customer for ten years and noticed they jacked the prices way up in the last 4 years. Their shetland cable sweaters used to go for 48.00 are now 68.00 and when they are on sale they are marked down to their old price.

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posted by candid cool

Jun 18, 2007 6:27PM

I am with the stella mccartney people. a vinyl bag that looks like a balenciaga knock off, over 1000, come on now!!!!

I'm not a hunting or manufacturing professional, but I'm sure it takes more to kill a cow and make a bag out of it, then with a vinyl sheet... they could knock the prices down more than a couple hundred.

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posted by elljay

Jun 19, 2007 8:02PM

I'm surprised no one has mentioned BCBG. While I think their clothes are cute and the quality is decent, I was shocked last week that the tops are priced as high as $400! Please.

And Arden B. is total crap, the stuff at Forever 21 is higher quality.

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posted by Kimberly

Jun 19, 2007 8:33PM

The Anthropologie thing has always mystified me. The clothes aren't very high in quality. Neither are the clothes at Urban Outfitters, yet it's apparent that on campus those clothes sell and sell. How the undergrads manage it, I'll never know. Heck, I'm working full-time and making real money, but I buy pretty much my whole summer wardrobe at Old Navy. I just can't stomach paying more than $30 or so for a frickin' t-shirt.

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posted by Ani

Jun 20, 2007 6:11PM

I am surprised no one has mentioned Jill Stuart. In her Soho store they some cute cocktail dresses priced at over 1k with a "made in China" tag. Completely agree with most of the Anthropologie comments. Normaly I will buy Anna Sui, Tracey Reese, Tibi, Joe's Jeans, Ella Moss on sale. Sometimes they have a few pieces that "speak to me" with their uniqueness and end up buying it as well. Always felt Anthropologie was trying to cash in with the whole "bourgeois bohemian" look Chloe made so popular.

As for J.Crew they are trying to reach a more fashion forward costumer without trying to alianate their preppy clientele. A truly difficult thing to do since so many people have complained abut the increase in prices for the basic items. The change started when Mickey Drexler came into the company as CEO and revamped the company. He was the one with the idea of introducing the "limited edition" pieces. Some of the pieces have been very desirable like the shearling toggle coat with fox trim while others are clearly overpriced copies of a designer.

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posted by Amy

Jul 25, 2007 10:37AM

Sorry but I like J.Crew. Overpriced and all. If I show up to a formal event and see 20 other women wearing the same thing cause its affordable, I would stop shopping there. If price is an issue and you like a style at J.Crew, wait a few months, troll the sale section of their web page and every few weeks they mark their sale pages down another 20%. J.Crew is pretty solid on their sizes. If you have any question about what size or style fits you, go into their store, try it on and then buy it at home on their web site or at their outlet. I am a avid J.Crew shopper and the same styles are in their outlet as in their main store a few months previously. Would i go into J.Crew and buy a full priced $500 dress? Absolutely not. I went on ebay and bought it new with tags for $99. Don't complain about labels vs. prices. You are paying for the social stigma that comes with shopping at a place that charges more, doesn't mean you have to pay for it. Check bluefly.com too. They have coupons and regular sales that rotate through different items. If your looking for a dress, wait untill dresses go on sale then use one of the coupons and you can get a Vera Wang dress for 60% of or more. Last rule of thumb... if you can afford it... bargain shop or don't buy it!

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posted by guest

Nov 08, 2007 3:41PM

J. Crew, Anthropologie, and Banana Republic, you've named all the guilty parties. Way more pricy than they are worth. However, I do think $60 for a sundress is not that bad.

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