Ditto For Me

posted by Paola

Jun 29, 2007 1:46PM

She is so fantastic...
I am not against any woman, small or large who has the attitude and sexiness like that of Beth!

posted by jess

Jun 29, 2007 1:48PM

okay. this is a serious problem in america right now- people pysching up overweight women, saying they are examples for "curvy women".

beth ditto is not "curvy", she is not an "average size women". she is obese. this is not what a healthy person looks like. this is not what the majority of america should think is okay.

everyone wants to appauld her for being fat? because she speaks to real women? there is a serious over eating epidemic in the united states and it's sad.

posted by Faran

Jun 29, 2007 1:52PM

Ah. Interesting Jess.

Well, we like that Chris Kane is attracted to women who have incredible talent and personality, and that he recognizes that talent above their body shape.

But once I told the Huffington Post that if Jessica Stam could inspire more girls to eat fruits and veggies instead of junk food, she would be my hero, and I stand by that (and the blog does, too).

xo.

posted by Cassette Love

Jun 29, 2007 2:02PM

"this is not what a healthy person looks like. this is not what the majority of america should think is okay."

I must have missed all of the "Get a Ditto Bod!" and "Binge with Beth" articles in Teen Vogue. I seriously doubt most of America knows or cares who Ditto is.

Outside of perhaps Mo'nique, are there any truly obese women present in mainstream American culture?

Big hearts to Chistopher Kane. For some inexplicable reason, I can see his bandage bodices working on 2's *and* 20's.

posted by Nicole

Jun 29, 2007 2:03PM

I think that what is important here, is that Chris Kane is recognizing someone different - someone who is outgoing, talented and for once, not addicted to drugs or looking like she is.

Okay, Jess, so if so much of the American public is obese, maybe this is a way to draw attention to that? Or to explain why we haven't drawn attention to that?

I appreciate Beth Ditto and Chris Kane because it's a small step in a new direction., and god I know we are all sick of the same drama! Yay for new!

posted by annie

Jun 29, 2007 2:06PM

i agree with jess. beth isn't just not "stick thin" shes seriously overweight. women embrace this to justify their own weight problems. as a skinny girl it's incredibly annoying to me when people assume i'm "anorexic" or a bitch just because I eat healthy and exercise. it's called taking care of yourself and while i'm sure she has a delightful personality, i don't think promoting obesity is ever a good thing.

posted by LL

Jun 29, 2007 2:12PM

Regardless of health issues and so forth that everyone is discussing, i think its cool to see designers breaking the industry standards and showing off their designs on a real range of bodies.. true talent is in the ability to make all kinds of women feel good and look beautiful, not just those with a model's frame...

posted by brendastarlet

Jun 29, 2007 2:14PM

To size zeroes, she's going to look like a freak; to those at the other end of the size meter, a heroine. Somewhere in between those two extremes is where healthy lies. I'd like to see that, too.

posted by geneva

Jun 29, 2007 2:19PM

I agree with brendastarlet. I love that someone is focusing on a woman who isn't model-size -- we see enough of that. But I'd also love to see, you know, the size 8 girl get a little love, too.

posted by MH

Jun 29, 2007 2:27PM

Just to play devil's advocate, not saying anything about Chris Kane since I don't know him, but...

Is this really because Chris Kane wants size 20 women to wear his clothes? Or is this an effort to control his brand image and remain edgy and provocative?

Victoria Beckham appears to be persona non grata with a lot of designers including several much bigger than Kane; her endorsement could be the kiss of death for a young label that wants to retain its cachet. Doesn't this just sort of reek of a publicity stunt? Not that there's anything wrong with that.

posted by kenbot

Jun 29, 2007 2:30PM

geneva & brendastarlet - size 8 girls do get dressed by designers, all the time. maybe they're not in ad campaigns, but there are plenty of celebrity size 8s who have something to wear on the red carpet.

re: promoting someone who is unhealthy. first off, it is possible to be healthier as a size 16/18 than someone who is a size 0/2. why not object to kate moss, for example? after her cocaine scandal, she is bigger than ever. i personally have no problem with it; she's a fantastic model and that sells. so what if beth ditto may be unhealthy? she's a rock star. should designers be charged with only using "healthy" women in their campaigns? i'd say that a designer should have artistic license to use whomever he wants.

the only thing that is remarkable about this is that a size 20 woman is getting something pretty to wear. there aren't many options at that size range. i say bravo.

posted by guest

Jun 29, 2007 2:51PM

I agree with Annie and Jess. I'm tired of seeing obese women being hailed as curvey and fantastic when in fact they're just as unhealthy as anyone with anorexia. She represents the "Average American Woman" about as much as Vlada or Sasha. While the scary-skinny model may influence girls and women in an alarming direction, the hailed obese woman only endorses the opposite behavior and allows obesity to seem acceptable. Both extremes are diseases and should be treated as such.

posted by Jac

Jun 29, 2007 2:59PM

It drives me crazy when people substitute "curvy" for overweight. Beyonce is curvy, because her wasit goes in andher hips go out. She is shaped like a curve. Most overweight women don't have flattering curves, their waists are too big to achieve that. Furthermore, it's stupid to constantly degrade thin women because they happen to be thin by declaring that "curvy" is preferred to thin. I can'thelp that I'm skinny and it is just as damn insulting to be told "well at least i have bigger breasts" or something to that affect by a woman who does not eat as well or exercise as much as I do. You can embrace this overweight trend as much as you want, but please don't insult thin women in the process. It makes you sound ridiculous.

posted by jess

Jun 29, 2007 3:01PM

i never suggested that it was okay to be unhealthy and too thin either.

and congrats to beth ditto for being a size 20 and getting a cute dress and what not.

BUT

what irks me is that people constantly bravo obese women for being confident and loving themselves and being an example for real women- oprah does this all the time... i am a real women. i wear a size 8-10 i have curves i am not perfect. i 100% agree with what brendastarlet and geneva are saying- lets see someone actually real because niether of these extremes are what the "norm" is.

posted by Thalassa

Jun 29, 2007 3:09PM

Why is everyone so quick to jump to conclusions about the health status of any female celebrity - stick thin or overweight? Regardless of what size you are, if your vitals like blood pressure, cholesterol, blood sugar etc. are normal and you don't have any illnesses, you are healthy, period.

Health and dress size are not necessarily correlated, and a less than average or above average BMI doesn't tell you much about how healthy someone is.

Beth Ditto looks really cool, I'm sure she'll wear the clothes with a lot of flair.

posted by Chels

Jun 29, 2007 3:20PM

I would argue that, under no circumstance, is a size 20 healthy.

I'm all for designers showing "real women" wearing their clothes, but I want to see healthy women in the fashion industry.

If models are that thin and still healthy, I have no problem with it. Doing copious amounts of drugs, starving themselves or bingeing and purging to get or stay that size is not healthy.

Neither is being obese. Filling your body with fat and cholesterol and taxing your body to that extent isn't healthy, either, and it isn't something we should appluad.

I'm not saying she isn't an awesome person or amazing singer, but let's not look to her as the antidote to malnourished runway models.

posted by Kathryn

Jun 29, 2007 3:23PM

I find it strange that this post has turned into a forum for self-proclaimed thin girls to talk about how unfairly they are treated.

Good publicity for Kane and Ditto. Kane cements his post as outside fashion. Ditto further cements her post as the go-to big girl for rebellion.

posted by leia

Jun 29, 2007 3:25PM

I agree that it is absolutely awesome that Christopher Kane is using someone who breaks the mold and is known for her personality more than her shrinking waistline (VB).
This, howvever, brings up an issue that bugs the hell out of me:
That there is no in-between.
I agree with Geneva: what about all the beautiful healthy size 8 women out there???

posted by Sarah

Jun 29, 2007 3:28PM

Its crazy how quickly ladies try to find ways to criticize other ladies for their various body issues! I also aparantly totally missed the obese celebrity ladies who are trussed up by the media as "curvy" or "sexy"? My friend and I introduced the term "chexy" in our parlance (chubby sexy) and when trying to explain the term to another (admittedly quite tiny) friend she was like "oh like Scarlet Johanson" and that's when I realized, I had entered... the twilight zone. Its straight up Mean Girls-style Girl World. Everybody just try and keep their body dismorphia in check, love your sistas, and listen to a few Gossip records while you're at it.

posted by guest

Jun 29, 2007 3:39PM

the gossip is a terrible band. fashion is about aesthetics, no matter how ethical you'd want to be. christopher kane is lovely, this isn't.

posted by Sarah

Jun 29, 2007 3:46PM

Oh, Anonymous. Thank you for making me feel punk rock again. How quickly and easily the pearl of youth returns to me...

posted by SM

Jun 29, 2007 3:56PM

I don't think it's appropriate to make assumptions regarding Beth Ditto's health or eating habits. People tend to forget that obesity- like thinness- is often hereditary. Accusing an overweight individual of gorging on "fat and cholesterol" is both insensitive and uninformed.

posted by AFG

Jun 29, 2007 4:11PM

I find it very interesting that a few people read the post as an attack on their bodies. Fashion paying attention to one larger women doesn't mean that war has been declared on size 2s. Or that next season every women on the catwalk is going to be a size 20 and smaller women won't be able to buy clothes anymore. And at no point did I denigrate thin women; I am a (not self-hating) one myself.

As a number of posters have already pointed out, doctors and scientists debate quite a bit about the relationship between health and weight. Just because someone is smaller or larger than the average women does not necessarily mean they're unhealthy, or that they "gorge themselves on fat and cholesterol".

Whether or not she's healthy, Beth Ditto is talented, sexy, and comfortable in her own skin which is more than a lot of people can say.

In using her as a model, Chris Kane is not saying that being overweight is cool. He's saying that Beth Ditto, who happens to be a larger women, is cool. Whether or not you think there should be women of Beth's size, there -are-, and more power to Chris Kane for making great clothing for at least one of them.

posted by the awesomest person in the world

Jun 29, 2007 4:17PM

maybe he just thinks she's rad...because she is? who cares if beth ditto is fat, she's a rock star who dresses like one. period.

posted by jess

Jun 29, 2007 4:23PM

beth ditto is fat not because of hereditary... and i quote

"People bitch about fat people who are quote unquote overweight, which is a term that I hate, because it sets a standard for people to be, but it's really funny to me that WE are the majority in this country right now. It's treated like no one in the world is like this, and it's the most shameful thing, but really most of us are fat asses, you know," she told Pop Matters.

"I just like food too much, and I don't want to change. I don't want to look like Britney Spears, I just don't want to. She's hideous."

agreed- but there is no reason for all americans to be "fat asses"

posted by victime de la mode

Jun 29, 2007 4:33PM

i think he just using her cause she's all the rave right now...

how come he doesn't carry sizes 12-28?
ungaro makes clothes for big women ..as does michael kors, issac mizrahi..and a few others..
he's just being a hipster and hopping on who ever is hot..
the day he makes size 12 and above i'll beleive his intentions...

i dotn care that she's fat or thin
and honestly i have no opinion on her it's just hard to beleive he wants a "normal" woman to represent his line...
when he doesn't carry their sizes...

.

posted by guest

Jun 29, 2007 5:02PM

Jesus, why do people always assume that saying one body type is beatiful means that all others aren't? And clearly its not about health, because, for most people, being as skinny as many models would be JUST as unhealthy as being fat. People die much more quickly from being anorexic than they do from overeating, after all.

To be clear, I'm not calling models or skinny women anorexic, I recognize that people are naturally skinny just as much as they can be naturally bigger. However, take two average women, tell one to lose 30 lbs and one to gain it, and tell me who you think is healthier. So, don't cover up your distaste for fat chicks by calling it unhealthy, just admit that you don't like people you think are ugly.

posted by astralgirl01

Jun 29, 2007 5:45PM

Thank you, last 'anonymous'.... please, stop using the "unhealthy" excuse as a justification for your own bias and body image problems. I'm just glad that there's a woman who's DIFFERENT in the public eye, getting props as a bad-ass rock star!!

Not to get all preachy, but I'm tired of women hating other women based on their looks... ridiculous! We should celebrate all of the differences on a daily basis.

There needs to be more Latinas, Blacks, Asians, biracial people, and... well, people that are not the stereotypical Barbie doll... out there as role models. And I'm glad Beth Ditto is out there, as a loud, proud, big ole gay girl. Work it work it work it!!

posted by Cassette Love

Jun 29, 2007 6:19PM

"And I'm glad Beth Ditto is out there, as a loud, proud, big ole gay girl."

It's interesting to note that Ditto's last call to arms was against the fashion body bias she blamed on "gay men who work in the fashion industry."

(Source is her NME interview of May 07)

posted by Jac

Jun 29, 2007 7:28PM

I meant to add "steps off soapbox" after my rant. It wasnt directed at this board per se, but pretty much liek everyother message board out there. I get annoyed when skinny girls are like "im skinny and people say this and this and this about me." My point wasnt to be one of those girls (PLEASE, dont think I'm one of those girls, perhaps I'm just mad b/c the exact thing was said to me yesterday about my size), it was kind of more along the lines of showing that there is a rather sinister back side to the embrace "curves" stance. It's not necessarily sinister because it degrades skinny women, but more b/c it's just degrading to any woman. Instead of a woman who may be overweight saying "im proud of my body you stick thin waif." I wish they'd say something that isnt based purely on aesthetics. This goes for skinny girls being like "well at least I'm not fat." as well. I just wish the back and forth didn'tmake us seem so shallow. Thick or thin, women are constantly objectified by men (and women) b/c of the way they look. I just wish we were more concerned about our intelligence or our talent.
*steps back off soapbox

posted by a lady

Jun 29, 2007 7:40PM

speaking as one's of beth's fellow day girls, can I just say: she's so sexy and sober I almost can't stand it. no, really: http://misshapes.com/club/pages/photodetail.aspx?d=04-14-07&id=052

all class, all the time.

posted by guest

Jun 29, 2007 9:22PM

SM, Obesity is not hereditary (nor will Relecor, or whatever it's called, help get rid of 'belly fat"). Yes, if your parents are overweight because they don't eat well/exercise, it's likely that you, too, will be overweight because they would have passed along these unhealthy habits to you during childhood. That's not nature (heredity), it's nurture (teaching bad habits). Want to lose weight or maintain a healthy body (which I agree is not possible at size 20), eat less and exercise more to burn more calories than you consume. It's simple math. No magic bullet. No pills needed.

I'm not an advocate of overly fat or overly skinny peeps, but I think to call someone who's a size 16/18 "healthy' is ludicrous - unless that person can run a mile, climb 3 flights of stairs without being winded, etc. Most people who are that large are not in good cardiovascular shape because their heart is working overtime just to carry the extra weight. Sorry, but that's not healthy. (Same goes for anyone size 0, 2, 4...8, 10 - whatever.)

posted by Thalassa

Jun 30, 2007 1:06AM

Last anonymous: Ever seen a female shot put thrower? Or hammer thrower? or weight lifter? Or wrestler?

I can bet many of these female athletes would fall in the size 16-18 range. Are you trying to tell me that they are not healthy, despite practicing their sport every single day of their lives?

Dress size is a very, very poor approximation for health. Unless you know someone's health history, it is poor form to make assumptions about how healthy or unhealthy they are.

posted by Anna

Jun 30, 2007 2:22AM

It's interesting how when a female celebrity is over size 4, she has to always be "in love with her curves and not give a damn what people think." I've never heard, say, Jack Black talk about how he loves his extra meat on his bones and how he's chubby and proud!

Such a double standard. I do agree that promoting the opposite of unrealistically skinny is not any better; however, I think the solution is to just stop focusing on body shape so much, period! Whenever I hear about how Mischa Barton's "childbearing hips" (ludicrous, because in person her hips are probably STILL more slender than mine, and I wear a size 6) I just think about how Mischa's male peers don't have to endure similar scrutiny.

At the end of the day, Christopher Kane clearly brought on Beth Ditto to shake up the establishment, which he seems to have thoroughly accomplished looking at the sheer number of commenters here!

posted by Lulu

Jun 30, 2007 4:46AM

Well... to all the people who say they want to see size 8 women represented, Kelly Clarkson looks like (US) size 8 but everyone ridicules her for being too fat. Her supporters on the Internet are also ridiculed. I have to admit that someone Kelly's (and probably also MY) size does look chunky in photographs. Average people look average in person but fat in pictures. I don't know. I'm ambivalent about this.

posted by c.

Jun 30, 2007 7:29AM

half the info in this post is from yesterday's hadley freeman interview w chris kane in the guardian btw, for anyone that wants to read it - http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,,2114499,00.html - shouldn't you guys reference or link to the original article something?

also, beth ditto simply can't be a size uk 16, since she complained about topshop not fitting her, when topshop does a v generous size 16.

posted by anna

Jun 30, 2007 10:41AM

As someone who is a size 14/16, can run a mile, climb three flights of stairs and just got back an excellent bill of health from my doctor (fantastic cholesterol numbers, low blood sugar, healthy thyroid, etc.), I have to say that a lot of the commenters here are off base. Maybe I'm not in as good of shape as someone who is a size 6 and could run a marathon, but I eat well, do Pilates and aerobics several times a week, and I think it's bullshit that I can't go into a clothing boutique and find anything in my size. Maybe Beth Ditto could lay off the Cheetos a bit, but so could Britney.

posted by guest

Jun 30, 2007 1:02PM

Beth Ditto is NOT sexy.

posted by J

Jun 30, 2007 4:41PM

anna- totally with you!
I also am a size 16 and my diet consists of fresh fruits, veggies, and soy products. The occasional ice cream cone, but that's about it. I also danced for about 14 years and my shape has always been the same, and I've always been the same proportions. I am not unhealthy at all, nor can I find a cute dress to save my life. I hate that I love specific designers so much, but could never wear their clothes because there's no way they come in my size.

posted by brendastarlet

Jun 30, 2007 5:38PM

Anna and J, I'm in the same club as you. I'm 5'8", train three times a week, and go Zydeco/Cajun dancing whenever I get the chance. My blood numbers are right in the middle of "normal." I am a 14/16/L/XL and curvy, with great legs, if I say so myself. I agree, it is hard sometimes to find clothes, but there are designers who understand our figures and I enthusiastically support them, and have lots of fun finding trends that work for me.

I don't hold anything against skinny girls who have lots more choices, I would only say that if you're skinny because of social pressure, you don't need to be. Fit wins out any day.

posted by astrid

Jun 30, 2007 7:18PM

well personally, i think beth ditto should be contractually obligated to perform in a burlap sack as punishment for being so fat and ugly.

what's wrong with you ladies? there's plenty of pretty to go around. and playing armchair doctor or bashing someone for their good self-esteem is really not becoming. fyi.

posted by Elle

Jun 30, 2007 11:44PM

Actually, if you think about it, Beth Ditto does a LOT of excersize nightly when she's performing - have you ever seen the gossip live? Girl doesn't STOP. EVER.

The gossip rules, Beth is amazing, and it's about time we got some LESBIANS in the fashion industry.

Yay beth!

posted by Courtney

Jul 01, 2007 12:19AM

I know some women who are size 12 or 14, who run marathons, so clearly their size isn't a reflection of their health, it's just the way they are built. That being said, I think it's clear from what Beth herself has said that that isn't the case with her, and she probably is pretty unhealthy.

posted by sll

Jul 01, 2007 1:25AM

Funny how Beth wrote a song a looong time ago about half of the people on this blog.

*Lesson Learned*

I don't ever want to be that girl
Saddest thing in the whole wide world

I guess I'm lucky cuz I learned a long time ago
I used to try to be somebody else but now I know
People like you make me know that I don't want to be
Stuck in a scene that only puts me down and judges me

So, I don't ever want to be that girl
Saddest thing in the whole wide world

Now you buy the right records
Now you got the right shoes
Yeah, you look so good
But that's all you do!

So worried someone's gonna blow your cover
You got one talking bad about the other
So take care of the people you know
And that's a lesson that I learned along time ago

That I don't ever want to be that girl
Saddest thing in the whole wide world

posted by Bonnie Lass

Jul 01, 2007 3:15PM

Ugh, Christ. If that's the best we lesbians can do for a poster child, I need to go ahead and turn in my membership card and start looking for a nice, Jewish finance banker to marry.

(But I get to keep my Jeep Wrangler, right?)

posted by sll

Jul 01, 2007 3:37PM

Yeah, and the designer boots to kick his ass with. Peaches and Ana Matronic are funnier anyway.

posted by Anonymous

Jul 01, 2007 6:39PM

Anonymous responding to SM: actually, yes, most scientists believe that obesity is at least partially hereditary. As someone who double-majored in Biochemistry and neuroscience and currently works in research at a medical center, I rarely hear anyone solely use the term nurture to describe anything, other than from faux-scientists (ie, most psychologists), and even then they usually recognize the role of nature in most things.

posted by guest

Jul 01, 2007 7:50PM

i dont have any problem with beth's size, her health, or anyone else's body type/lifestyle. i just find it annoying when we are supposed to celebrate a fat girl getting to wear designer clothes. ohh, christopher kane is sooo enlightened, yeah, everyone should make clothes in a size 24!! please, he's doing it for publicity and possibly because he likes her/her sytle. she's doing it for the money/clothes. fashion is surreal. its an art. if you are a healthy size 12 i guarentee you can find any article of clothing you would want. and really skinny girls dont look fabulous in every article of clothing, either do heavier girls. find the clothes that fit you, be proud of your own body type, be healthy and move on.

posted by Realgirl

Jul 01, 2007 9:04PM

Alright I just have to jump in here. I saw anonymous's post about why people are overweight. Anonymous doesn't believe it's hereditary. Body size is one of the most genetically inherited traits along with height. The research shows that if you look at identical twns RAISED apart and NOT by their natural parents that their weight will be approximately the same. If one is overweight the other will be as well NO MATTER WHAT THEIR adoptive parents weight is! Environment puts you at the higher or lower end of your genetic weight range. Why do you think people lose weight and then regain it all the time. American diet in a way that fights their genes. Unless you practice dietary deprevation (ie very low calorie) eating forever and ever you are not keeping the weight off.
Americans are 7 to 10 lbs heavier then they were in the 70's. That is the obesity epidemic in a nutshell.
Just who do you think is selling us the obesity empidemic? Drug companies and diet book authors! Even the CDC backed off their study that obesity killed more people than smoking because it was bad science. These people are not objective. So anonymous don't be so dismissive about the fat girls! Don't believe it's laziness or some personal failure that makes all fat people fat.

posted by geneva

Jul 01, 2007 10:12PM

Leaving all this hereditary stuff aside, I do find it hypocritical of any designer to use a plus size model when he doesn't actually make plus size clothes. Are the only plus-size women allowed to wear Christopher Kane famous ones? It's interesting.

posted by RaShawn

Jul 02, 2007 10:36PM

Jess,

Stop quoting MeMe Roth...That woman is a complete moron.

posted by marang

Jul 03, 2007 5:34AM

Uhm, anyone who thinks Beyonce's waist is not cinched in with very good foundation garment is woefully naive.

I think.

posted by murf

Jul 25, 2007 11:26AM

Realgirl said that Americans are 7-10 lbs heavier now than in the 70s--and I understand that this is an average (personally, I'm 90 lbs heavier :( ), but I can remember growing up in the 50s and 60s that fat people were fairly uncommon and fat kids were rare, very rare, and it was almost always a thyroid or similar problem. We ate normal food, balanced, and at least in my house, we did not have bread, dessert or soft drinks with every dinner...those were sometimes treats.

Our food is in the main, no longer natural and filled with chemicals and very few people know how to balance meals. Couple that with total lack of exercise--my g-daughter has never had a gym class since elementary school, where we had to have PE every year in school--and you end up with obese, unhealthy people

While I think people should not be judged solely on their size, I must agree with Jess and a couple of others, obese women are not "curvy." Jane Russell was "curvy." Obesity is not a normal state for the human race, no more so than is being too thin. I think it's great that a designer can have the insight to say, "See, this is beauty, too." Nonetheless, he should have several models, not just one, to represent a range of humanity. Just taking one rock star, regardless of her size, is a publicity cop on his part that I personally find disgusting.

I have just as many issues with "plus-size" models as I do with the concentration-camp-look ones. The skinny models have to starve and drug up to stay that way, the plussers have to overeat to stay that way, or at the very least not achieve optimal health, and both present an unrealistic figure that does not translate to anything I can wear (or could wear even when I was a mere 115 pounds because at 115 lbs I had curves--and yes, at 5'5" 115 is THIN!)

The women who are 12/14s or 14/16s who run and all, I'd be willing to bet your overall bodyfat is not that high, you're just large-bodied--my daughter is a 12/14 at 5'10" and is not fat, runs and eats right and is very healthy

One final note of interest. I'm not exactly sure when it happened, but sometime in the last ten years, they re-numbered all the sizes, so that what was a 10 when I was 20, is now a size 6; a 12 is now a 16, etc.

posted by erin

Sep 18, 2007 5:45PM

I just think that more clothes need to be out there that flatter all shapes and sizes so people don't go getting a complex over how they look. There will always be fat people. There will always be thin people. People will always base that judgment on THEIR own size, regardless what the designers do/promote/photograph. I just think if there were more cute clothes out there to flatter a range of sizes, women might be a little happier with how they themselves look and a little less mean to other women. I know I could care less if I think I am fatter or thinner than the girl in the elevator next to me if I feel like I look good!

posted by Miranda

Oct 22, 2007 8:33PM

I'm amazed that they have a size 20 model. Jean Paul Gaultier used a sized 28 model in his 2006 Paris Fashion Show. Velvet D'Amour made an incredible stir during that time.

Its understandable that noone condones 'fat' modelling. It is just as unhealthy as 'skinny' modelling.

But, after years upon years of seeing the skinny side of things, like Twiggy, Kate Moss, Heidi Klum, etc. It is nice to see the opposite end of the spectrum. It's nice to see the media showing a difference for once. It's incredibly refreshing, actually, to see a different body. A different Look.

In time, Hopefully with the clash of the size 20's and the size 0's, the size 10's will be represented soon, but how can they be represented unless they represent the opposite side?

Right now, its a case of extremes. And we should all be thankful for that because it means that a median is coming.