CNN reports some rather disconcerting information:
General Growth Properties, the second largest mall operator in the country, may file for bankruptcy soon. GGP is responsible for the operation of around 200 malls in the US, including the Paramus Park Mall right outside of the city.
If the company does end up tanking, then a.) another mall operator will buy up its old malls and everything will be normal for the shoppers and retail workers, or b.) their malls will cease to exist, since GGP isn’t the only mall operator facing tough times.
We have no idea where most people in suburbs would shop if the malls started to shut down, but then again, we guess nobody’s really shopping. But what about the countless people who’ve worked in retail all their lives? If their local mall disappears, will their local Target (if they have one) get flooded with thousands of job applications?
Our advice (which we never thought we’d give): If you live near a mall, go shop. As long as it’s not at the Bebe, please.






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this is truly discouraging for someone studying to have a career in fashion ad retail.. i hope things turn around. :/
It would be awful for GGP to file for bankruptcy and the thought of suburbia’s malls closing down seems virtually unfathomable but at the same time I can’t say I’m going to shop to save them. The thing is I’m really trying to cut back because as each day goes by I’m realizing the severity of this crisis and truth be told, it’s not something to be taken lightly- things are going to get much worse before they get any better. Our generation and our parents’ generation are currently facing the worst recession since 1929. If that doesn’t strike a chord, I’m not really sure what does.
Love that last line but on a more or less serious note, what will Jersey Girls do if the malls close?? You New Yorkers better get ready for an influx of big hair and ugg boots!!
Love that last line but on a more or less serious note, what will Jersey Girls do if the malls close?? You New Yorkers better get ready for an influx of big hair and ugg boots!!
A company this big could operate for years in bankruptcy. Look at Trump Enterprises, or most major airlines. It would give them a longer period of time to pay their lenders back for mortgages and debts held against the property, so the organization most likely to suffer from this would be the banks and venture capitalists who leant them money. Don’t worry guys and gals, your malls are not going anywhere soon!
Great advice. “Go shop” was exactly what Bush told the US to do in the aftermath of September 11. It’s beyond dispute that seven years of people living far beyond one’s means (e.g., subprime and jumbo mortagages) and/or spending recklessly on unnecessary items (e.g., Ugg boots paid for with credit cards) is a healthy part of why our country is now in a deep recession.
Not to mention, “go shop” implies (quite stupidly) that people have money to spend in the first place. You do realize that bloggers like yourself are losing their jobs left and right?
Congratulations, Fashionista. Your thinking is on the level of George freaking Bush.
this is not going to happen. there are far too many stores in the mall of america. not to mention how busy it is every day.
nice post fashionista. it has been so slow around here, no wonder.
with everyone scared to spend money then we could be pushed into a depression. yes, if you have disposable income, shop. there are plenty of deals out there right now so take advantage of them. i dont think fashionista was telling people to go put everything on your credit cards and rack up a bunch of bills. i have money, i’m not stopping shopping. sometimes i feel like i’m the only one though.
also, it really pains me just how not smart some of these commenters are. you are seriously linking fashionista with bush guest 6? of course they realize bloggers are losing their jobs, they have been reporting on such events daily. you should search for some type of logic and realism class and take it fast!
I agree. I haven’t been hit by the recession. I’ve been shopping more than ever (with money from my bank account – not my credit card) because everything is one sale! 40% off at Nordstrom, additional 30% of at Banana Republic (seriously super cute Merino for under $50), fall sale at J Crew plus a student discount plus the 10% off coupons they keep giving, the list goes on and on. As of right now, I can’t stop going to the mall. I’ve already bought more than half of my Christmas presents (cashmere sweaters for the whole family!). I should be spending this money – and honestly it is hardly anything with these sales. There is some logic to what Bush said (I can’t believe I said that either). If nobody is spending money, the economy tanks. I’m not living beyond my means and I’m trying to help the poor sales people who work on commission.
I agree with the poster above. If you have extra cash (not credit) there are some great deals to be found. This weekend I went to Banana Republic with my mother and got some great buys. Tanks tops for $4.99, dresses for $30 marked down from $150. The parking lot was full but the stores were empty…I think everyone was at the movies. I felt sad for the store employees as a former retail worker myself.
I agree with #6. The reason we’re in this mess is that too many people were shopping–it wasn’t sustainable. For the last 7 or so years, a lot of people I know were on a shopping high. Even I have spent more money on things than I would have ever thought possible.
I’m no economist but it seems like the market place needs to readjust itself. There’s too many shops, and while that’s good for competition,just look what it’s done to quality.
That said, I also agree with SOME of #9, for those of us who haven’t been hit by the recession, it’s a buyer’s market.
that’s right. it’s essentially your duty as a US citizen right now to get out there and buy stuff if you have the money. companies need the sales and there are great bargains. support your favorite stores or buy early christmas presents. take some action.
12, yes let’s save america by putting its citizens further in debt! they’ll find the money SOMEWHERE to pay for increased taxes due to government bailouts. i hope for your sake you’re being sarcastic. don’t go spend money for the sake of spending money unless you need to.
I’m sorry, commenter 3, but I must defend us “Jersey girls”. The “big hair” is the stereotype from the 80′s, not currently. Then again, I live right outside NYC, so maybe it’s different in other parts of the state. But please know that we don’t all have big hair or live in Ugg boots. Again, sorry, I just had to clear my name as a “Jersey girl”!
Times are tough everywhere, and I have to say that yes I have been shopping and using cash + credit. I am a freelancer who gets a “regular paycheck” but I am also keeping it in check by being smart about what I am spending on. I am patronizing small shops and boutiques – where people really need the money to stay in business. I also did a massive closet clean out and took things to consignment stores in my neighborhood + put things on ebay. This “recycled” cash is more money to shop na dbuy new creat things but ALSO helps the small consignment stores etc…A new way of thinking and a new way of shopping!
dude, i said spend the money if you have it. i’m not preaching to go run up your credit cards and take a home equity loan so you can go buy a hermes bag. many people have a spending problem and seriously need to reconsider their lifestyle habits and which things really are valuable.
if you were careful and saved money when everything was booming left and right you can go back in time and purchase things at 5-10 years ago prices.
This post has absolutely nothing to do with the Mall of America. Trust me, that mall will not be closing any time soon. It is has no association with GGP. It also has many corporate sponsors that give the mall even more money. In fact, there are plans to expand MOA. So for those of you, like guest #7 who were mislead by the photograph on this post, do not worry! If any malls will close, it will be small ones with not that many stores. The big malls will probably stay open.
#8 “also, it really pains me just how not smart some of these commenters are. you are seriously linking fashionista with bush guest 6? of course they realize bloggers are losing their jobs, they have been reporting on such events daily. you should search for some type of logic and realism class and take it fast!”
#6 here. Fine, I’m not smart in your opinion. But I am indeed linking Fashionista’s naive “go shop” message to George W. Bush because HE SAID THE EXACT SAME THING.
Yes, obviously there are economic benefits to consuming, but 1) shopping (at malls, for eff’s sake!) is not a viable long-term solution to our current problems and 2) saying “go shop” assumes that people are able to go shop! (And for those of you with excess disposable income, you’d be wise to start saving more, especially those who say they are still in school — nothing in life is guaranteed.)
Yes, I have seen the Fashionista posts about sites such as CondeNet laying off workers, which is why the naivete above is even more baffling.
And I’m really too tired will take a logic and realism class after spending all day editing finance books.
(pretty sure the name of that course is “logic and REASONING,” btw)
“will take” s/b “to take”
Turn all the malls into luxury housing! I’m sure that will turn around the economy!
I have to agree with commenter #6. Fashionista logic baffles me all the time. What happened to your sustainability mantra, the condemnation of “fast fashion” and overconsumption? Guess, you didn’t realise that sustainability and capitalist growth logic don’t go together. So you drop your fashionable eco attitude and now rush to the aid of the American economy. Yeah, that will work…
this post shows the deep ignorance of fashionista about our economic breakdown. fashion as we know it is dead. retail will die along with many other service industries. disposable income is now being used to cover rising food costs, paying off deep deep debt, and float people through layoffs.
the glory of owning $500 shoes and living in a slumb apartment is no longer as conspicious consumption will be socially reputed. is it any wonder blue-fly now offers discrete packaging?
if the fashion world wants to stay afloat too, it ought to move away from the retail model and mass output. i would love to see fashion houses follow the Patagonia model. Customers can return ALL warn out clothing in-store to be recycled into new clothes.
We will all have to learn to live without and make do. Fashion trends will soon begin to reflect this. If you thought we had seen bottom-up trending…just you wait because we haven’t seen anything yet.
If you work in retail or the fashion industry…you better start reading about what is going on so you’ll be ahead of the game when you have to change careers!
getting tired of the anti-jersey comments. really annoying and ignorant.
if people stop spending money then there will be NOTHING to save for. people don’t understand, consumer spending makes up around 70% of GDP. now what most of you are calling for is a depression with even larger social implications. retail will not die. it will shift, change, adapt with stronger companies with solid business models surviving. that is what this market is doing, taking out all the trash one by one.
have you checked the commodity prices lately?? agricultural commodities have gone way down along with every other commodity. that means prices of things will go down or have already. have you filled up your car lately? $1.95 in some towns in NJ.
anybody who was paying attention pulled their money from stocks and risky investments a year ago and are now starting to put it back in.
also, not every post is for eveybody. some people are having great years and have plenty of disposable income and therefore should be out spending.
yeah you think that $1.95 gas price is going to last? oil is NOT renuable!! prices are going way down…but people are losing there jobs to compensate for lower profits!!
Nice that you deleted my comment. You could have at least left the first two paragraphs (or even just the first!) if you felt the last was rude. Lord, you people are touchy.
guest 26, we didn’t delete any comment – are you sure it went through? we only went through and deleted double comments (our server has a glitch with that) but no individual ones. i know this sucks, but you should try always copying your text before hitting “post comment” so that in case the server eats it for whatever reason, you still have your whole comment and can just paste and post again. sorry!
hahaha, Guest 26, you are hilarious.
So many of the commenters here are touchy themselves. Take a look around.
The Fashionista people are hardly that.
(ps – everyone makes fun of Jersey, just like everyone thinks the Pacific Northwest is full of Granolas)
I saw it appear here myself, Natalie. But since you are being nice, I will be nicer as well the second time around …
Good points #24, although I would point out that the GDP’s largest category of consumer spending is services. Durable goods (automobiles, building supplies, appliances, etc.) and the nondurables of fuel and food absolutely dwarf apparel and cosmetics as far as areas of consumer spending go. So the type of “shopping” spoken of above (i.e., mall retail) makes up far less than 70% of the GDP.
Certainly people need food, fuel, cars, and yes, clothing, but a currently small percentage of people who are able to shop for sport will not save or even marginally improve the economy (or keep the malls from bankruptcy, if comes to that).
“Some people are having great years and have plenty of disposable income and therefore should be out spending,” is true, and perhaps Fashionista is catering to those readers. But #24′s post is more nuanced than the original, which basically said “This big mall company is closing, and people might lose jobs, so everybody go shop, OK? Just not at bebe, which is for trashy whores.” ;)
PS number 28, yes many commenters are touchy as well. It can go both ways, IMO.
29! you’re absolutely right – i totally remember your comment because, even though you were pretty rude at the end, it was a good one. we must have accidentally clicked the box along with the other doubles – sorry!
Not a problem, and I’m sorry about the rudeness. I try not to go there but we all have our moments. :)
just remember guest 29, perception is based on the common thought of the masses. with your attitude we go into a hard depression.
the important message fashionista is sending is to not be scared to shop. don’t forget, holiday spending accounts for about 3.5% of total gdp. tis the season.
Please don’t lecture me on my “attitude,” #32. I just bought new, utterly unnecessary mary janes yesterday. But I am fortunate (and employed) enough to do so. And they were on sale. :p
People are losing their homes, their jobs. Telling people to buy frivolous things when they simply can’t, or feel they should be saving money should things get worse, is futile (and as you can probably tell, irresponsible in my opinion).
If malls are facing bankruptcy the problem is a lot bigger than just a simple decrease in consumer spending. These malls have huge mortgages (or leases) to pay off. What about credit freezes from lenders? That affects everything from manufacturing of goods to shipping to advertising.
The article linked above says GGP has a staggering “$900 million of property secured debt and $58 million of corporate debt.” And the consumers are the one who are supposed to fix GGP’s effups by buying a bunch of unneeded track suits? Hell no.
So yes, spend if you have it. But these enormous problems will not be fixed through shopping, nor should the burden of fixing the retail economy be placed on the consumer.
so you are doing exactly what i and fashionista have been preaching. you have money to spend and you spent it.
i think you have proven your own attitude.
I said it in post #29 as well. So what? I can’t speak to the issue of the many people who no longer have extra income for non-necessary shopping? Or question how naive the message “go shop” is?
And I see you don’t speak to any of the facts about this particular mall group’s debt, or the impossibility of keeping them from bankruptcy simply by shopping at their malls.
I am fine with an actual discussion but it seems you simply want to “win” an argument. But the facts remain: Spending is down because people have lost jobs and houses and are in dangerous amounts of debt.
And if GGP files for bankruptcy, it will be due to their own massive property and corporate debt. It is NOT the fault of the consumer.
i’m not arguing as to the facts of the mall group’s debt or the probability of bankruptcy, though you should take into account that their occupancy rate is lower due to less merchants by means of less shopping by consumers.
[i also just want to point out how unhelpful it is to think in terms like "the consumer". there are varying degrees of shoppers, and not all consumers are equal in terms of spending power. some consumers cannot shop right now, and shouldn't. some are liquid, and are shopping, and should be shopping. and that's the point.]
the root of your argument isn’t the fact that spending is down because people are losing their jobs/homes/assets (anyone can see that, it’s obvious), but the root of your argument is that the initial statement made in the post, “go shop”, was naive because you’re saying that it’s not a good time to say something like that, even though you admit to shopping because you’re “fortunate” enough yourself. so the problem with your very first accusation, that the end of the post was naive, is this: you assumed that the readers themselves are not smart enough to know that they should shop only if they are as “fortunate” as you, and argued as if they are in fact too stupid to decide it for themselves, making you come off as quite haughty. and nobody likes that.
1. This isn’t about me (or any individual), although yes, I feel extremely fortunate to still have a job given my field.
2. I’m not saying it’s “not a good time” to say “go shop.” It’s not about timing; it’s about the fact that the problems faced by this mall group and by retailers in general cannot be fixed by the mere act of shopping, and even if it could, many people simply do not have the money to spend.
I didn’t assume anything about the intellegence of Fashionista readers. That is ridiculous and conjecture. Quite the opposite, the reason I have posted so much in this thread is because many people had challenging things to say. I simply disagree with the intent of the original post.
And I will agree to disagree with you now, because at this point we are talking in circles. So thanks for the discussion, and good night.