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Is the New: Ready to Wear and Couture

price upon request.jpgThe New York Time’s Thursday Styles section has been more about botox and babies than Balenciaga lately.

But today, Eric Wilson answered a question that we’ve been asking since we were old enough to pick up a magazine.

He offers an in-depth explanation of that annoying credit listing, “Price Available Upon Request,” which we always assumed meant way too expensive unless you employ someone to make phone calls for you.

But it’s actually more interesting than that: Most of those pieces, aside from the jewelry, aren’t even manufactured, “Out of 30 items for which prices were requested, 21 were not available at the stores at which they were listed.”

Fewer and fewer runway pieces are going into production, while retailers focus on pre-season collections. Which means that ready-to-wear is like the new couture - a vision of the designer’s ideas and themes which get watered down into slightly less expensive, less fashiony, and more wearable clothes, which, given the current economic state makes a lot of sense.

But it also makes us nervous because at some point, some investor will say, “Hey, why should I pay for an extravagant runway presentation when these clothes won’t make a single penny back but serve just to satisfy your creative whims and fill the pages of Vogue?”

Because the fact is, those clothes aren’t couture, which actually can be bought anyway. And as high fashion brands make an increasing percentage of their money off of it-accessories and pre-season tank tops, it’s only a matter of time before ready to wear goes the same way as couture.

And that makes us want to cry.

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posted by guest

Nov 06, 2008 1:10PM

I loved this article, because I work at a fashion company and after market our sales department decides what pieces will be put into production and what will be "discarded" based on the buyer's reception. It's the least favorite part of my job. What is funny is that these "discards" make up at least 75% of the requests from magazines. Therefore, they are credited as "price upon request". Throughout the season, there were a few items that were meant to be purely editorial that were ordered later after press coverage and put into production. One piece in particular that was seemingly in every magazine happened to have a watered down version that was in stores and eventually sold out. These editorial pieces do help get the name out and sell the more wearable pieces. As a shopper, I find it disappointing to go into a store and see that the cooler items are no where to be found. It has also been noted that people who are buying clothes in this economic climate are looking for standout, unique pieces that you can't find at a lower price point.

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posted by guest

Nov 06, 2008 1:12PM

noooooooo this makes me sad

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posted by cesarcmma

Nov 06, 2008 1:25PM

Great article, and I think this is so annoying, If nobody can't buy it why they botter showing it, isn't that the porpuse or runways show?, make people think "oh I want that, and this", and then you go to the store and ask for the piece you see in an editorial and left empty handed.

Thanks for your inside comment #1

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posted by fauvism3

Nov 06, 2008 1:27PM

I loved this article as well. Even more interesting when Joe Zee told one team on Stylista last night that their shopping page layout was perfect but that they couldn't win because the credits were missing and this was CRUCIAL since people want to buy the things they see.

But how is that possible when the items aren't even really for sale? The Dior dress Eric called about was in Elle and does actually have a price, but I am sure they have used many many things not actually made.

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posted by guest

Nov 06, 2008 1:43PM

What an excellent article :) Bravo Fashionista for featuring it. I have long wanted an answer to this question and finally I have one.

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posted by guest

Nov 06, 2008 2:25PM

as a fashion editor who has handled credits, it can also be any of the following:

1) you didn't hear back from the PR for pricing/availability before your deadline

2) the PR tells you to list it as "price on request" because they're too lazy to get the real price for you

3) you had too many credits to get and forgot to do this one...so you make it up

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posted by guest

Nov 06, 2008 4:01PM

so i guess if i can't even buy it from the designer i may as well go to forever 21...

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posted by guest

Nov 06, 2008 4:02PM

If you really want something can't you normally get it if you have some sort of relationship with the designer or the designer's store. I know some will have the item specially made if they like you enough and they have worked with you. So they really do exist just not for the masses.

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posted by mckeb753

Nov 06, 2008 6:48PM

#8 -not if the fabric isn't available anymore, or too costly to produce in such a small quantity. The materials have to come from somewhere. In this case we will sometimes sell the sample if the customer's relationship is strong and they are a size 2.

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posted by guest

Nov 06, 2008 9:12PM

lol @ guest 7! :)

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posted by guest

Nov 07, 2008 9:30AM

This is a great article, go Britt!

Love reading about these kind of things.

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