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The Bag Tax is Coming

marc jacobs tote.jpgBack in November, when word first got out that Mayor Bloomberg would be proposing a tax on plastic grocery bags, we wondered if the city would realize it might be worth it to stick it to retailers, too.

And yes, it did - The plastic bag tax, which was officially proposed last week, will cover plastic bags of any kind - even at restaurants and department stores like Macy’s - which will cost shoppers five cents per bag unless they’re armed with their own stash of totes (or, presumably, plastic bags they’ve saved from prior trips).

So, if you want to step into H&M for some unplanned shopping after work, you’ll have to be ready unless you want to pay up (obviously this is easier if you drive everywhere, but city dwellers might find the idea of having to have a bag with you wherever you go pretty annoying).

But we’re wondering - Is a charge of five cents really revolutionary? Would you really say to yourself, “Oh man, a nickel? Let me go back five blocks to my apartment and get my tote from its spot on the door handle - This trip could cost me fifteen cents total!”

Do you think Mayor Bloomberg’s bag tax will really stop people from using plastic bags? Or will the tax just raise tons of money for the city, without any real environmental effects? Or, in a dramatic plot twist, will retailers simply offer shoppers paper bags instead, rendering the Mayor’s money-raising effort useless?

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posted by BIBA

Feb 03, 2009 10:13AM

it's really not hard to have a plastic bag folded up really small in my already massive "work" bag. really. i'm excited about this.

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posted by guest

Feb 03, 2009 10:20AM

In France a lot of grocery stores already do this. They seem more trusting, because people regularly stuff backpacks and totes full of groceries, unstuff and pay, then restuff and leave.

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posted by guest

Feb 03, 2009 10:33AM

this works. It has become common place in the UK and is law in Ireland, and honestly, people carry totes everywhere now. People in NY always give me a funny look when I say that I don't need a bag.

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posted by guest

Feb 03, 2009 10:38AM

I used to re-use plastic bags to clean my cat boxes. Now I'm actually going to have to buy bags for that purpose. Bleh.

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posted by guest

Feb 03, 2009 10:38AM

Offering paper bags wouldn't "render the effort useless" because paper bags are recyclable and biodegradable...

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posted by guest

Feb 03, 2009 10:51AM

Canada does this as well in some grocery stores.They also have piles of cardboard boxes that customers can pick and choose from for free instead of buying bags.

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posted by guest

Feb 03, 2009 11:06AM

paper bags are not useless, paper is recyclable

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posted by guest

Feb 03, 2009 11:19AM

urban outfitters already made the switch to paper bags... they will officially start to use them as each store runs out of the plastic stash.

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posted by guest

Feb 03, 2009 11:29AM

A tax is only the beginning. Some places have outlawed them entirely. I suggest that you invest in one of these.

http://www.envirosax.com/products/greengrocer_series/

They're cute, cheap, and roll up and are about a big as a piece of sushi. That way you can carry one around with you should you make an unexpected shopping or grocery trip.

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posted by guest

Feb 03, 2009 11:42AM

This is awesome. I hate going to the bodega for a soda and having them put my single soda that I am going to drink immediately into a plastic bag without asking first. There is enough trash and waste in this city. Even if it doesn't prevent people from using plastic bags, it will help raise money for the city, which is cutting all sorts of programs due to a budget deficit. It is a win-win situation! I only wish it was 10 cents instead of 5.

The funny thing is, some people are absolutely flipping out about this. I was reading the comments on the NY Times site (I think) about this, and people were outraged. I can't even comprehend how people can be so narrow-minded and wasteful.

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posted by guest

Feb 03, 2009 11:49AM

Paper bags may be recyclable and biodegradable but trees are cut down to make them, which is not environmentally that sound either.

As for plastic bags, I use them for cat litter (there is no alternative, you can't flush it away in apt. buildings in the city) and use them to pack up recyclables and garbage. I use paper bags to recycle paper, but end up with a shortage of decent plastic bags and an oversupply of paper. I'm going to have to buy plastic bags now which defeats the purpose, especially as these come packed in cardboard, which is more waste.

I'm not saying that everybody is responsible or that this is a bad thing. There are, however, major drawbacks. As somebody who has never had a car, I stopped shopping at Whole Foods when they went over to paper bags only. If it is raining, they are useless. They aren't much use with milk or juice which tends to work its way through the paper. Paper is fine if you are dumping your shopping from the cart to the car back to the house (and thus have a bigger carbon footprint). Useless, however, if you are using a bike, walking, bus, subway.

For the record, I carry a recyclable bag for shopping all the time. I just have problems with this as a panacea for all ills--especially when so much of the pro-paper rhetoric ignores pedestrians needs and the reality that many of us reuse plastic bags rather than buying garbage bags. Surely a better educational campaign and a small fee would work better? I'd have paid 5 cents for a plastic bag in Whole Foods willingly rather than had the option taken away from me.

End rant.

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posted by guest

Feb 03, 2009 12:01PM

this works, i've seen it lots of places in europe. you just get in the habit of keeping a tote in your handbag

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posted by guest

Feb 03, 2009 12:05PM

In Germany it has been that way for years. Can't even remember a time when you got plastic bags for free, at least not at grocery stores. The bags are usually between 10 and 20 cents but they are pretty thick material and last a few shopping trips. Well, it works. People usually bring their bags/baskets/boxes when they go grocery shopping.

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posted by guest

Feb 03, 2009 12:07PM

Oh goodness, carrying a tote in your purse is not difficult and neither is it an inconvenience...well, unless you're American. People everywhere do this without so much as a thought. I have the same bags as guest 10 and I pretty much carry everything in them. I have to say, though, you're eating really big pieces of sushi.

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posted by guest

Feb 03, 2009 12:31PM

they do this in italy as well

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posted by guest

Feb 03, 2009 12:33PM

this is ridiculous. the idea is great and I'm sure it does work in other countries. but the nickel is NOT going to go ANYWHERE but in the companies' pockets. seriously. we're just going to ensure that they keep making plastic bags as a revenue stream.

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posted by guest

Feb 03, 2009 12:35PM

I always use a tote of some sort. Yesterday I went to buy cards at rite aid and they gave me a bag. After I put the cards in my purse and used the plastic bag for the small purchases I made at whole foods AND got to donate 10 cents to a good cause! Guest #12, Whole Foods does do those great recycle bags. I am a decent walk from whole foods and its something that holds up in the rain. I mean at .99 they are pricey, BUT they are well made. Also if anyone ever has groceries deliverd from whole foods, I believe that you have to supply your own bags.

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posted by guest

Feb 03, 2009 12:44PM

As stated, this has been law in Ireland for some time and I couldn't imagine using plastic bags anymore! We have to pay €0.22 for each plastic bag we need in a shop, so people use totes or paper bags (free) so it definitely works- good news for the environment

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posted by guest

Feb 03, 2009 12:49PM

Ok so I live in the Netherlands and have thought this same thing too...I do think that in any case it does at least remind you to maybe next time bring a canvas bag or keep one in your purse all the time. About half the time I forget to bring a bag, but living here has definetly made me at least more aware of it. Also, I heard that when they started this in Ireland, plastic bag usage dropped 90%, so I guess it does work...?

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posted by guest

Feb 03, 2009 12:52PM

I know Whole Foods has those bags, guest 18, but I'm not going to use them for my cat litter! I carry an envirosac bag everywhere as well as canvas totes, turn down bags at most stores but sometimes I buy more than my bags can carry. Besides, I still need plastic bags for litter and recycling and would rather reuse a good grocery store bag for those ends than buy plastic garbage bags that are then wrapped in more wasted card and plastic. Some foods also need extra protection--I don't eat meat, but those who do probably don't want it bleeding over their bags.

My anger with Whole Foods lies in their not considering that paper bags don't hold up on a rainy day back to Brooklyn and are designed primarily for drivers who are far worse for the environment. I just want the option of occasionally buying a decent plastic bag to reuse. I can't and won't throw out cat litter in a recyclable tote. Using paper is also forbidden--garbage men (rightly) won't take it.

My point is that apt. living and not having a car are the most environmentally sound ways to live so why not let us have the choice to buy a plastic bag should we need one? I love trees and always feel that paper is the worst option--barely reusable and destructive to the environment as it entails killing the very trees that are the lungs of the planet.

Sure, I hate the discarded bags that litter the city, but charging for better quality bags is good as it stops that. Banning them, however, just means people who are responsible and need to use them (picking up dogs, packing up garbage to take to communal trashcans, disposing of cat litter) have to buy the same kind of bags which doesn't help the environment either.

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posted by guest

Feb 03, 2009 12:56PM

i have this nylon shopping bag that rolls up into its own little pouch. it's super easy to just stick in your bag and take it with you everywhere. maybe that's a good solution those in new york.

http://www.amazon.com/ChicoBag-Reusable-Nylon-Bags-Mango/dp/B0012BM5NQ

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posted by guest

Feb 03, 2009 1:36PM

In SF they have recently banned plastic bags from stores, it's now enforced at large grocery and drugstores, but the city is giving more time to retailers and to mom and pop shops to elimanate their use as well. I see the enviro-sac everwhere, it's not that hard to get used to once you get into the habit.

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posted by guest

Feb 03, 2009 2:47PM

to the person who wants plastic bags for their cat litter: where do you think the plastic bags come from at grocery stores? they come in boxes too. at least if you purchase a package yourself, you can be certain that the box gets recycled.

the overall result of this tax will be to reduce waste, even if it adds one extra box to the recycling bin of cat owners every month.

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posted by guest

Feb 03, 2009 3:03PM

Works in Italy and is easy to do, especially in terms of planned grocery store outtings

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posted by guest

Feb 03, 2009 4:25PM

When I lived in London in the mid-80's many places charged 2p per bag, so I got used to carrying an extra, and have been doing so since then. I do drive most places, but even when I'm walking I have a few bags rolled up in my handbag. I think the tax is a good thing and should've been implemented years ago.

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posted by guest

Feb 03, 2009 4:49PM

For cat litter and dog poop, I bought corn-based enviro bags that are plastic bags made of corn. They biodegrade quickly in the landfill and hold up quite well. They are inexpensive. It's time to get creative people and wrap your minds around other solutions: wrap cat poop/pee clumps in newspaper or large mail inserts and throw in trash outside. maybe try a diaper genie for the poop too.

BYOB

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posted by guest

Feb 03, 2009 4:49PM

THATS THE MOST REDIC THING IVE HEARD. ppl here in boston are pretty god at using their own bags anyways. But id still be rip if this happened

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posted by guest

Feb 03, 2009 5:37PM

THATS THE MOST REDIC THING IVE HEARD. ppl here in boston are pretty good at using their own bags anyways. But id still be rip if this happened

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posted by guest

Feb 03, 2009 7:45PM

I wish I was as rich as Bloomberg, then I wouldnt have to worry about a nickel. It will just stop me from shopping at places where I will literally be "nickeled and dimed"

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posted by guest

Feb 03, 2009 7:53PM

I love how hypocritical we are in fashion...no plastic bags but if its plastic and has Marc Jacobs written on it then its okay. We will sell you tons of cheap plastic jewelry that you will toss out in a few months. The next "It" trend at H & M or Forever 21-- Cheap plastic statue of liberty trinkets, synthetic fibers, plastic shoes that fall apart, plastic belts...oh, Im sorry they are called PVC. I agree with the person who said this nickel will go in the pockets of the corporations.

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posted by guest

Feb 03, 2009 8:24PM

You cannot throw cat poop in paper and put it in the garbage can in most NYC buildings--you'd have a very angry super. You have to have bags. My point isn't just about cat poop, it is about recycling the bags. It is also about the paper bag idealism that's fine if you have a car and pollute the atmosphere more than I've ever done. I have no car, I never have. I recycle. Carry envirosac bags. I just want the option of buying a plastic bag when I shop so I can get my organic milk home in the pouring rain and reuse the bag to recycle or for cat litter. I feel I am very pro-environment, but the holier-than-though anti-plastic bag stuff from Whole Foods and drivers alike irritates me no end. Let responsible people buy these bags if they want them--I'm European and I'm used to it. But don't ban them. They have uses. And, yes, the plastic bags in stores come in boxes--I know that--but not as much package is used there as with garbage bags.

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posted by guest

Feb 03, 2009 9:13PM

guest 30, even someone making minimum wage can afford to pay a nickel for plastic bags. anyone who is complaining about the price must either be unemployed or a complete miser.

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posted by guest

Feb 03, 2009 9:15PM

btw 30, you can't just stop shopping at certain places to avoid the bag tax - the point is that all stores will be forced to charge it.

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posted by guest

Feb 03, 2009 9:34PM

As much as I am all for reducing the use of plastic bags, this bag tax peeves me a little. First of all, I definitely save and reuse plastic grocery bags all the time and therefore would be a little peeved to have to start paying for this convenience. In terms of retail bags, it is always nice to have a nice clean bag for clothing so it doesn't get dirty or wrinkled on your way home (especially if you have been putting groceries in your enviro-friendly bag).

Is any of this tax money going towards greening efforts in the city, or is all of it going towards paying off the debt?

FYI, plastic bags make the perfect travel packing companion:
- use them as shoe bags to protect your clothes
- as an extra layer to prevent against cosmetics/toiletries exploding and leaking into your bag
- wad them up to pad and protect breakable items
- store laundry in them until you get home
- put damp bathing suits inside on your way home from a beach weekend

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posted by guest

Feb 03, 2009 11:52PM

Geez, (most) everyone on here is so whiny! God forbid YOU be inconvenienced. Use your own bags! It is beyond easy to carry your own bag (I carry the same as #'s 10 & 15). It took about a week to really get in the habit but now it's natural. It's the right thing to do.

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posted by guest

Feb 04, 2009 2:39AM

here in romania they just introduced the tax per plastic bag - it's annoying but i'm starting to carry a plastic bag/tote with me in every purse so i guess one can get used to it! even mango charged me for the plastic bag, but zara didn't :)

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posted by sweeten21

Feb 04, 2009 5:04AM

Everyone should go out and get a canvas bag and start using it for shopping. They are super durable and you can get one that shows off your personalty. If everyone started using canvas bags the world would be so much more colorful. I just bought a really cute one from designer Jenny Yuen - http://www.jennywashere.com/shop/Category/Accessories.aspx

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posted by Leith

Feb 04, 2009 1:33PM

My mom has been using tote bags for her groceries for ages and some stores actually take a few cents off of her purchases for each tote bag that she uses.

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