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London Vs. NYC: Explain

londons new mk store.jpgWhat credit crunch? London’s a hotbed of fashion retail growth.

This past week, Rick Owens and Marc by Marc Jacobs opened doors on South Audley street in Mayfair. And a walk down New Bond Street revealed workers near completion on Michael Kors’ new store, set to open later this month - all of which suggest both designer and brand faith in shoppers.

And if they’ll find that loyalty anywhere, it’s London. There’s a palpable difference between shoppers here and in the states. I spent a Saturday afternoon walking from Barneys to Bergdorf in New York just a few weeks ago. Racks of clothes went untouched and bored sales staff milled around. It was like a museum of clothes in which more than one salesperson told me, “No one is shopping in New York right now.”

But then I spent this past Friday doing some spring shopping in Harrod’s and the store was bumper to bumper, can’t-get-a-salesperson-to-help-you packed. Sure, London’s an international shopping hub, but so is New York.

Why, in the midst of this global economic crisis, do London’s stores feel like the circus and New York’s a mausoleum? And is the answer to that question the same as why designers continue to open stores on this side of the Atlantic?

—REBECCA SUHRAWARDI AUSTIN

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posted by guest

Apr 16, 2009 10:19AM

You have to remember how long it takes to launch a store. The stores opening in London now and in the past few months had been planned long before the economy went to hell, when London was still booming.

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posted by guest

Apr 16, 2009 11:00AM

1) These stores were in the works WELL before the meltdown seen in Fall 08. You’ll notice a real change in the retail landscape in the coming year or so, when many stores will shutter and new ones will be few and far between.
2) There’s a difference between shoppers in NYC and London because while both economies are suffering, what’s happening in the UK is truly a credit crunch (people couldn’t afford to pay their bills), while what’s hapenning in the US is/was a total economic meltdown stemming from bad loans, subprime mortgages, and greedy investors. As a result people in the US were shaken to the core more than those in the UK and resorted to cutting back majorly and saving every penny. It hearkens back to the Puritan ideals that started this country, and is a reason the US will bounce back more quickly than the UK.

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posted by darcykins

Apr 16, 2009 11:17AM

i hope guest 2 is making a joke.
Or do you really think that Americans still (if ever) have 'puritan ideals'?
hah.

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posted by guest

Apr 16, 2009 11:25AM

wait, isn't this the same site that said a month or two ago that there were boutiques in london that had gone 6 days without any sales? i dunno; the economic situation is bad all over if you ask me; i'm sure it's taken many months to plan those stores, so now probably still isn't the best time to be opening a rick owens or michael kors.

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posted by andreakcastillo

Apr 16, 2009 11:27AM

I agreee with number 3

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posted by guest

Apr 16, 2009 11:46AM

I think it's shopping habits that's being talked about, no? And its a direct comparison between department stores of equal weight and target consumer in two different cities...as opposed to boutiques vs. dept stores...

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posted by guest

Apr 16, 2009 11:55AM

I think you'll find its called EXCHANGE RATES

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posted by guest

Apr 16, 2009 12:27PM

You found the same difference in atmostphere b/t NY fashion week and London fashion week. Maybe it's just attitude.

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posted by guest

Apr 16, 2009 12:39PM

i think 6 is kinda right, but i can see the confusion/point of post 4 because the article starts talking about opening boutiques and then talks about the shopping habits of department store shoppers.

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posted by guest

Apr 16, 2009 12:41PM

Yes, the majority of American's still do have very puritan ideals. We're not really talking about NY or any of the major cities, but the rest of the country. Take the Janet Jackson boob flash during the Super Bowl a few years ago. The outrage to that should tell you that Americans are still prudes.

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posted by guest

Apr 16, 2009 1:01PM

Yeah you people are all overthinking this. #7 is right -- the exchange rates. The GBP totally cratered and is almost 1-1 with the Euro, and even not that bad with the US Dollar. I was in London a month ago and it was the first time I've ever actually shopped in London (besides Topshop) since the exchange rate was so good. I got a Margiela bag for about half what it was in the US!

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posted by guest

Apr 16, 2009 1:03PM

And yeah, there was that article a few weeks ago on here about how there was that mega shopping mall in London that was a ghost-town and hadn't had sales in days. How bout some consistency ?

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posted by guest

Apr 16, 2009 2:32PM

I lived in London and you "can’t-get-a-salesperson-to-help-you" ever in stores over there even in a booming economy. Harrods is always packed regardless of how much people are spending. It's more of a tourist spot then Bergdorf, Barney's or Saks.

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posted by guest

Apr 16, 2009 3:52PM

13 is dead right. harrods is a tourist attraction. The top guns there are always complaining that they get busloads of german and japanese tourists and not buying anything except a tin of tea. Looks busy but no ka-ching. No salespeople because they've been laid off. To get a real glimpse of how bad it is in London, go to Dover Street Market, Matches, and yes, Westfield. Its dead here folks, maybe except for outnet.com

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posted by guest

Apr 16, 2009 5:42PM

It's because in London we get all the dodgy Russian, Eastern European and Middle Eastern billionaires who aren't going to stop shopping because of a credit crunch, I think more so than New York, partly because we're closer to Russia, Saudi Arabia etc.

My general instinct is that NY shopping has suffered much more than London.. remember we never had the pre-Christmas frantic 80% reductions that NY department stores had

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posted by guest

Apr 16, 2009 5:46PM

I forgot to add something that kind of backs up my point.. a few weeks ago I was talking to a sales assistant in a brand concession area in Harrods (won't say which so they don't lose their job, but suffice to say it was one of the 'high fashion' fashion brands, if that makes sense), and they said they had sold hardly anything for weeks BUT Cavalli, Dior, Dolce etc. were still selling very well..

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posted by guest

Apr 16, 2009 7:41PM

My friends from HK bought quite a lot of LV's, Marc Jacobs, Miu Miu stuff last week...to HK people is like 'what recession?' in London. The exchange rate of HK$ to GBP is so good that most luxury goods bought in UK is likely to be cheaper than buying them in HK.
By the way, I went to Marc by Marc Jacobs on the opening day, and the place was packed but most people were just grabbing the 'special items'.

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posted by guest

Apr 16, 2009 8:10PM

Yeah, my friend in HK just said that between the exchange rate and getting tax back once she leaves, as well as rising rents in HK, buying luxury goods in UK is cheaper by far. Recession seems to be hitting HK itself fairly hard though.

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posted by guest

Apr 16, 2009 9:31PM

15, are those Russian, Eastern European and Middle Eastern billionaires "dodgy" for any reason other than their respective nationalities? Mind the xenophobia.

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posted by guest

Apr 17, 2009 10:29AM

No, not at all.. they're 'dodgy' because of all their tax avoidance, KGB links, questionable business and personal dealings, closeness to tyrannical leaders.. mabye I spend too long reading the Evening Standard Magazine and Tatler, but London has long been a playground for those with huge amounts of money, often acquired in slightly dubious ways.

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posted by guest

Apr 18, 2009 2:54AM

it's definately the exchange rate. I just did a report on this exact subject for college and apparently its not the British but the Americans and the Eurozone countries doing all the spending. Instead of going to new york for shopping there all coming to London.
Barcelonas lavanguardia newspaper even had a 4 page spread recently going on about how you could buy many products for half the price in Spain which i think has never happened before

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