Adventures in Copyright

Adventures in Copyright: So Meshed Up

advincopyrightwangvtopshop5-28.jpgWhen large companies rip-off small designer’s work, we get irritated.

There’s something tragic about watered down design - like watered down beer - ew.

Post-Chris Kane, someone sent us another disturbing Topshop rip-off. That Alexander Wang dress? The black stretch mesh sheath with thick, detailed embroidery? Topshop’s taken it upon themselves to bring the exact same thing, not an interpretation, to the masses.

Wang’s expertly coiled embroidery, extra-long sleeves, fun thumb-loop, and back zipper have been replaced with a far less innovative diamond-patterned embroidery, short sleeves and a plain sheer back.

Just this weekend we dubbed it the new “dress that won’t die.” It’s been everywhere - Kanye’s girlfriend wore it in Paris, Missy Rader wore it in Wang’s lookbook, in editorials featuring everyone from Eniko Mihalik to Liu Wenn - which means that everyone on Topshop’s design staff is ultra-aware of it.

The Wang original is for sale at Opening Ceremony for $955, while the Topshop version is going for $90.

The thing is, no one has to buy the $1000 version. Most people can’t. But instead of buying a copycat, why not admire the original and honor the designer’s work by not encouraging mass reproductions and rip-offs?

—MELISSA ELLIOTT

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posted by guest

May 28, 2009 2:27PM

Well to your last point.

A) I can't sew my own interpretation of the dress.

B) I want the same style in my closet.

C) Top Shop has made it easier for me to get the dress.

Personally, I don't like the short sleeves on Top Shop's version, so I wouldn't buy it unless the price significantly dropped.

And if only that particular style was available to the ultra-wealthy, then what about poor commoners like me?

Oh, wait they've already figured that out. It's called Alexander Wang and Top Shop/ Forever21/etc.

If you want to look expensive then just buy Wang. If you want the look, and you can't afford/want Wang, buy Top Shop. It's simple.

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posted by RashomonRebel

May 28, 2009 2:45PM

Mr. Wang Wang ripped that off of Gianni Versace.

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posted by darcykins

May 28, 2009 2:52PM

i think it looks more jean paul gaultier?

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posted by guest

May 28, 2009 2:55PM

Here we go again. Give it up fashionista. Your point of view is very clear, but you seem to be missing the point of so many others. Why just admire why you can own it yourself? Who is it hurting? We all know who made the original. We all know the original is better. It's the condescending tone that has people so aggravated with these posts.

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posted by nycshoegal

May 28, 2009 2:58PM

i plan on making this my last post on "adventures in copyright" because there is nothing left to say.


one of my favorite sayings is the Russian "Everything New is a Well-Forgotten Old".

it is extremely rare that someone actually invents the wheel when it comes to clothing nowadays. You can vary the materials, patterns, prices, etc. but essentially...
that being said, I understand girls in fashionista have to get their day jobs going somehow, hence the "adventures"...

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posted by guest

May 28, 2009 2:58PM

It really gets on my nerves the way fashionista reports on high street stores'ripping' off designer items. Thats what high street stores DO they look towards designer items to see what the lastest trends are and then emulate them for people who dont have the resources to afford designer labels. There is no need to be so snobby about it.

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posted by guest

May 28, 2009 3:11PM

OMG PLEASE STOOOOOOOOP ALL THE COPYRIGHT STUFF! We get it. We agree. I am all for designer's rights but every other post on fashionista in the last few months has been about copyrights. Please report on some other fashion news.

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posted by guest

May 28, 2009 3:18PM

The link for the TopShop dress is not correct, you have the alexandar wang link. Can you fix? I would liek to see the copycat. Thanks. And by the way, I don't mind that you post copyright stuff, I enjoy seeing it. And I completely agree that if you have the money and WANT to go designer, buy it. If you can't afford it, by the copycat. It's simple.

www.thelipstickdiaries.com

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posted by guest

May 28, 2009 3:18PM

Has anyone on the Fashionista staff actually worked at a mass market company in the industry? This is fashion! If I ever heard an original design idea in the mass market industry, I would die of a heart attack.

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posted by guest

May 28, 2009 3:23PM

i agree with everyone above, this column has become inane, repetitive and just plain frustrating. maybe if you just posted the images and left out the blathering copy your readers would be less annoyed with your choice of words? seeing the designer knock-offs IS somewhat interesting, hearing the same point over and over again is definitely NOT.

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posted by nycshoegal

May 28, 2009 3:25PM

kudos to the suggestion #10

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posted by guest

May 28, 2009 3:28PM

i like these posts when the copies are actually copies, like this one. Or like most Steve Madden shoes.

but they are mind-bogglingly irritating when they are more "inspired by" like the previous post on the chris kane-esque dress. Mass-market is going to use designer ideas and it's not a copy. That is like saying no music can ever use one same chord as a previous piece of music. Even the ruffle sandals were stretching it a bit.

Also, i think it would be helpful to understand where you all stand on designers blatantly ripping off vintage or ethnic designs. Because there is a stink of hypocrisy if those ripoffs are deemed just fine.

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posted by guest

May 28, 2009 3:28PM

for those of you who had trouble with the topshop link, just search "voodoo mesh corded tunic top" and you get to the dress. i just bought one, but they only have sm sizes left. cute! thanks for tip fashionista.

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posted by guest

May 28, 2009 3:29PM

for those of you who had trouble with the topshop link, just search "voodoo mesh corded tunic top" and you get to the dress. i just bought one, but they only have sm sizes left. cute! thanks for tip fashionista.

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posted by guest

May 28, 2009 3:29PM

I'm wondering why you haven't posted that Trovota v. Forever 21 copyright infringement suit was ruled a mistrial today? Or did I miss that post? Just seems like it points out how difficult or unwilling juries are to find determine what when infringing is not simple inspiration.

If copyright is ever extended to cover clothing, which it never will be, winning or litigating those suits will be a nightmare and a waste of money.

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posted by guest

May 28, 2009 3:31PM

i totally agree. if you can't afford the original then don't get the copy either. it's better to keep it out of reach if thats how it was mean to be originally, unique and rare. i get people want designer looks without spending the money, and i do the same thing, it's just that there's other ways to be fashionable than wearing rip offs of someone's creativity.

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posted by guest

May 28, 2009 3:32PM

obviously no one at this website actually works in fashion or remotely knows anything about it or designer relativity because
FOR THE LAST TIME, ALEXANDER WANG IS NOT A SMALL DESIGNER!

HIS CLOTHES ARE SOLD IN BAHRAIN FOR CHRIST'S SAKE!!!

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posted by guest

May 28, 2009 3:37PM

"The thing is, no one has to buy the $1000 version. Most people can’t. But instead of buying a copycat, why not admire the original and honor the designer’s work by not encouraging mass reproductions and rip-offs?"

Oh no! Why would you want to OWN and USE what you admire when you can merely cover it from afar? I mean, fashion isn't about wearing clothes, it's about constructing them, seeing them as art only and sealing them away or pulling them out of the reach of every day people. THAT'S fashion right there.

Moreover, why would we want EVERYDAY people seeing our bourgeois style? Why, there might be some shift in power and privilege. Clearly ONLY the rich should be able to have style -- the rest can be content in observing.

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posted by socialitedreams

May 28, 2009 3:46PM

I so agree with poster one.

http://socialitedreams.wordpress.com/

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posted by guest

May 28, 2009 3:47PM

stop clicking on these posts. they post so many "adventure in copyright" posts because they know that everyone will want to click on it and leave a comment telling fashionista how stupid it is. it's the clickwhoring a la gawker strategy. vote with your mouse.

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posted by RashomonRebel

May 28, 2009 3:48PM

#17, Alex Wang IS a small designer. I can pick him up with one arm!

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posted by guest

May 28, 2009 3:51PM

Wow, that last sentence really just took the cake for me. Seriously? How elitist can you get? You basically just said that only the extremely rich are allowed to have fashion and that everyone else should just admire from the sidelines. I'd like to take a look at your closets to see how many items of clothing you have that are "original" and how many are inspired.

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posted by guest

May 28, 2009 3:57PM

Thanks #20. I'll stop clicking. And keep buying the handy copies they keep finding me :)

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posted by guest

May 28, 2009 4:01PM

RashomonRebel, I truly enjoy your comments. Just had to say.

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posted by guest

May 28, 2009 4:03PM

I think you are all missing the point of these posts. As someone who works in design at a high end company I know the amount of time and work that goes into the development of these pieces, and yes mainstream companies should take inspiration from the high end collections, but this is a blatant copy being sold in the same season as the original and that's totally wrong.
There is nothing elitist about the need to appreciate the craft of high end goods.
Would any of you wear a knock off bag, because this is the exact sdame thing, only it's a dress so for some reason thats commendable as bringing fashion to the masses.

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posted by guest

May 28, 2009 4:11PM

look at the number of comments on each of the daily posts...since Natalie left the 'adventures in copyright' posts are the only ones garnering a decent response, everything else has 0-5 or so. 'adventures in copyright' are the shitty watch adds that take up three pages in your given Vogue. they are there for the money (in this case the comments) they bring in.

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posted by guest

May 28, 2009 4:13PM

i understand where both parties are coming from..
however, the people who are able to buy the wang original are going to do just that.. topshop is not cutting into wangs market bc the people who are paying $90 dollars for the dress wouldn't suddenly pay a grand if the topshop copy did not exist.. they would just not buy either
accessible fashion is what makes it possible for everyone to be fashionable
i do think that outright rip offs are a little much but there is nothing wrong with making the trend available for multiple price points

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posted by guest

May 28, 2009 4:19PM

i just went on ebay and found people selling this dress. if you want larger sizes, i guess ebay is the only way.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=190309821505

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posted by guest

May 28, 2009 4:22PM

My main problem with these posts is that no one ever seems to take into account fashions older than a year or so. I'm sure if we all started flipping through our late-eighties through mid-nineties Vogues we could find something nearly identical to the Wang dress above. And I'm not accusing Wang of being a ripoff artist either, just saying that embroidery on sheer is not exactly earth-shattering. (Agreeing with nycshoegal/#5 -- "nothing new under the sun".)

Also, it seems the industry itself is mostly fine with copying, as it has always been this way. True, the rise of fast fashion has made for more, and more egregious, copies (like Forever 21 v. Trovata). But if/until an ACTUAL copyright can be applied to clothing (which honestly, I doubt will ever come to pass), I don't see the point in this constant complaining (and agree with #10 that if you're going to continue, maybe just present the images and forget the editorials).

If you're against copies/remakes/interpretations/watered-down-whatevers, don't buy them. Most of the people who ARE buying them have no idea of the (most recent!) source anyway.

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posted by guest

May 28, 2009 4:24PM

Dear #25, we get the point of the posts. What we don't like is the snotty tone of voice used by the writers. A knock off, would be someone ripping of the dress, down to the label inside the dress, and trying to pass it of as an original Alexander wang dress. As it stands, this is inspired by the original because it has changed enough of itself to be different. As the writer emphasized, the sleeves are shorter, the pattern different, and key details like the zipper are missing. There is no law that says that inspiration has to come from previous seasons, I mean really, who wants to be seen as dated?

Also, as other posters have said, the person who buys original clothing is not suddenly going to buy topshop, while the person buying topshop is not suddenly going to up and spend a grand on a dress...they are not eating into each others profits so people need to chill out. The only people who get pissy are the ones who desire exclusivity and can't get it, but really, with the over exposure this dress has gotten who would want to wear it anyway?

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posted by guest

May 28, 2009 4:29PM

this post has stirred a conversation, and that is the point of posting to begin with. this is their blog and they can write about whatever they see fit, even the things i disagree with myself (the attacks on peta that seems to still linger here)

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posted by darcykins

May 28, 2009 4:41PM

i agree with guest 31, this looks like the most popular post of the day.
and i would never skin a collar to make a back-pack.

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posted by SL1503

May 28, 2009 4:44PM

"with the over exposure this dress has gotten who would want to wear it anyway?" - #30

I couldn't agree more.

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posted by guest

May 28, 2009 4:50PM

All these posts do is draw attention to the "fake". Now I'm "inspired" to buy it.

Thanks, Fashionista!

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posted by guest

May 28, 2009 4:58PM

that is ridiculous for a piece of clothing to be $955. that's pure insanity and it's only given such a high price because it's considered "designer." i hope topshop and forever21 continue to rip off ideas so that the common people can buy them. clothes shouldn't be set aside for an elite group of wealthy patrons. that's so disgusting that fashionista would imply that.

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posted by guest

May 28, 2009 5:58PM

not to keep reiterating what everyone else is saying but yes...these posts BUG. They're so elitist and annoying. Yes copying sucks, but shut up about it already. I'd rather buy that topshop dress versus the alexander wang, and give the other $800 to some starving children in africa. I'm sorry Alexander, i think starving children deserve it more than you.

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posted by guest

May 28, 2009 6:30PM

Mesh is HOT.

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posted by guest

May 28, 2009 6:49PM

I understand both sides of this argument. Personally, I don't like the less-creative look of the Topshop dress, but I can't afford the real one. What's a fashion-loving girl to do?
I went to American Apparel, picked up their mesh dress, and I've been playing with layering to achieve my own version of this look that I admire.
I believe in the intellectual property of designers, but I also understand the demand of consumers to have the latest trends. I just wish there were more respect for the effort that went into the original, and people could be inspired without the blatant cheapening of the design.

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posted by guest

May 28, 2009 7:40PM

LET IT GO ALREADY. Don't you read the comments? Can't you see that your readers are sick to death of these asinine posts? And anyway, do you have any understanding of how fashion works? It's hardly surprising for designers to get inspiration from other designers...

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posted by guest

May 28, 2009 7:47PM

So I guess this explains why there are no DIY posts anymore.

Funny how you have no problem making Elizabeth and James "INSPIRED" blazers out of feather trim, but if Forever 21 did it, it would be a God damn catastrophe.

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posted by guest

May 28, 2009 8:57PM

lol. touché, #40, touché

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posted by guest

May 28, 2009 9:07PM

LOL at 40. I need to start saying "God damn catastrophe." Also, if you guys bring back DIY, I PROMISE I will comment 1000 times a day.

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posted by Jac

May 28, 2009 10:02PM

i feel vindicated. on the next copyright post, let's all just NOT comment as one commenter suggested. this is it, get all your complaints out here...

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posted by guest

May 28, 2009 10:11PM

um sorry #40 but company's aren't profiting from your CREATIVE projects and calling them their own! not the same.... and to almost everyone else i don't ever read anything snobby and mean-spirited in these posts. i think what these fast fashion places are doing is wrong! fast fashion is usually good for basic items only. there is nothing less fashionable than someone trendy! stop chasing trends and just interpret!!!!!!!!

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posted by guest

May 28, 2009 11:12PM

#44--null and void.

clearly you aren't getting it either.

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posted by guest

May 28, 2009 11:45PM

LOL at you freakish people with delusions of singularity and relevance. Outside of your own subset of the psychologically damaged, no one gives a shit about your belief that the weird forms of crap designed by a guy with a funny, pretentious name are all special little snowflakes. I particularly enjoy the absence of legal argumentation in your whining, and that you chose to devote your limited wits to making half-baked, tiny-violined ethical pleas. Please do something worthwhile with your lives, such as working on an oil pipeline or subscribing for pharmaceutical trials. Failing that, please just go die in a fire.

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posted by guest

May 28, 2009 11:52PM

Not commenting adventure in copyrights ever again.

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posted by Signature9

May 29, 2009 12:14AM

With over 40 comments I don't think this is a feature going away anytime soon (regardless of which side you're on).

http://www.signature9.co.uk

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posted by guest

May 29, 2009 1:03AM

Or conversely, #48, this thread may be the final nail in the coffin. It's a crapshoot.

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posted by guest

May 29, 2009 1:05AM

It doesn't bother me when a low-end retailer "rips off" a high end designer. Given the dramatic difference in price, it's not like Topshop is taking business away from Alexander Wang, as they serve two different crowds. I would think that, if anything, a "small designer" would be flattered that a mass retailer is trying to emulate his or her work. If this were a matter of one "small designer" copying another "small designer," then I would have a problem with it.

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posted by guest

May 29, 2009 1:21AM

In response to #46: First, why should commenters be making legal arguments on a fashion blog? The issue isn't about infringement in the legal sense, but rather the creative issues involved. I'm guessing you stumbled over to fashionista through abovethelaw (i.e. home of the kids who were beat up at recess and now base their entire sense of self worth on the fact that they work at "Cravath" or "Sidley"). Second, I like how you state that everyone posting on here needs to do something "worthwhile" with their lives when YOU are doing the exact same thing!

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posted by guest

May 29, 2009 2:32AM

fashionista, your comments are completely unjustified!
I have some points to make about how wrong these posts are:

#1, chain stores "copying" designers is what makes the fashion world go around. the same style dress cant be in fashion forever. it needs to be leaked down the chain until everyone is so sick of it, and a new must have style is released.

#2, A.wang's dress will still be purchased as people who can afford it will be more likely to buy the real version instead of the copy just because it's the original and better, thus wang will still reap the profits.

#3, it is rare that everyone who loves wang can afford the real thing so they can have a dress in the same style for cheaper


Quite frankly, i find that fashionista is full on condescending, materialistic snobs

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posted by frankielovestoshop

May 29, 2009 7:03AM

I think these posts would be fine if you just had a picture of the dressses and didn't write a load of crap next to them.

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posted by bluealvarez

May 29, 2009 9:24AM

Agreed that copying rips money out of the hands of hard working designers. But you know who's fault that really is? Wang's, for making a dress that costs almost $1K and then wondering why people would want to buy a copy of it, even a far lesser copy, for one TENTH of the price.

If designers could find a way to translate some of their more original and sensational ideas into more affordable, more wearable, designs, copying would not be as widely spread as it is now because competition would be stiffer - more people could afford the original and so there would be less demand for the knock-off.

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posted by guest

May 29, 2009 10:02AM

then don't read the load of crap -- just look at the pictures!

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posted by guest

May 29, 2009 10:14AM

Not to drag this on because this has to be the most repetitive thread in the history of free speech, but i am going to have to second #53- everyone is interested in the news, the inspiration and the inspired, but adding three paragraphs of obnoxious blabber next to each image actually takes the fun out of it. come on fashionista use a little tongue and check cleverness here- something like "A. Wang may be a toothpick but in a Wang v. Topshop rumble we think he'd get a few good punches in"

its brief, slightly clever and avoids making you guys sound like you sleep in chanel because frankly fashion blogs are not cash cows.

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posted by guest

May 29, 2009 10:56AM

STOP IT FASHIONISTA!!! we get it. you hate it.

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posted by guest

May 29, 2009 7:06PM

Actually, for everyone arguing that the TopShop version doesn't affect Alexander Wang's sales, I can just tell you that even if I had the money to buy to A Wang dress, I would buy the Topshop version instead. That dress is so wear-once-and-done that I doubt I'd even pay the $90 for it..

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posted by guest

May 29, 2009 10:46PM

I have a vintage version of this dress from the 80s.
It looks very similar to the Wang dress. He didn't create this style - he filled a need.

People with an innate sense of true style often desire things before they've seen them. Some of these people are fashion designers & can bring these desires to fruition.

This style is SUPER 80s. Nobody can give Wang that credit or knock Topshop with making their own.

Fashionista is falling off though, this whole Adventures in Copyright thing is their only claim to fame at this point. but really they should just give it up.

I'm removing this site from my favorites.

Its a sad day.

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posted by guest

May 29, 2009 10:50PM

People who slam companies like F21 and Topshop are probably more upset that the knockoffs make highly coveted items seem less exclusive, rather than being concerned about infringement of designer creativity.

I think it's a bad idea to buy trendy pieces like the A. Wang dress or the knockoffs anyway. It's always better to buy pieces with lasting potential. But if you must buy something trendy, it might as well be cheap shit from f21, because you know it'll only be worn for a few months or less.

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posted by guest

May 30, 2009 12:50AM

When the large company was DvF and the small designer was Mercy, you didn't seem to have a problem with it.

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posted by austinsamuel

May 30, 2009 8:14AM

I'm so depressed I didn't get in on this argument sooner, I would have killed you all.

It's a sad day for Austin.

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posted by guest

May 30, 2009 1:15PM

this is endless arguement.
theres no point
but we all know the one truth.
when you were wearing topshop
and other girl walk by you with a.wang dress.
you probably want to be naked..
this is why i dont shop at h&m or topshop

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posted by RashomonRebel

May 30, 2009 3:35PM

I think everyone will agree with me that this should be a contender for the We're Not Dead Yet section.

Lastly, you can find some great pieces of his at 28 Bond St.

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posted by austinsamuel

May 31, 2009 3:29AM

#63 wins the award for best comment

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posted by guest

Jun 01, 2009 11:45AM

haha i loved #63 too.

and #56 only because "it avoids making you sound like you sleep in Chanel"
was pretty funny.

I don't think you should stop posting these.
Its fun to read while i'm at work.

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posted by bastylefilegirl

Jun 01, 2009 3:57PM

I like AA's inpiration of this dress two both of these.

http://store.americanapparel.net/rnt46.html#i

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posted by guest

Jun 02, 2009 9:37AM

agreed, its ridiculous that stores are able to mass produce designers things without some type of recourse. we dont spend hours on one piece just to have someone mass produce it for less. it must stop!

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posted by guest

Jun 02, 2009 12:41PM

I say just let people do what they want. If they want to buy the copycat then let them. All that matters is what you think, which lets face it, should be kept inside. If I don't judge you then what gives you the right to judge me?

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posted by guest

Jun 11, 2009 10:52PM

MELISSA!!!!!!!! YOU ROOOCKKKKKKKKK!!!!!
Love your cousin Brooke :) MISS YOU!

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