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Ch-Ch-Ch-Changes at Vogue

voguejuly2009coversiennamiller.jpegThe internet is buzzing this morning over a post on The Imagist late yesterday that said: “US Vogue is quietly getting a revamp in light of the on-going ad slump. Think a new circle of models, an influx of fresh, young photographers and a desire for ‘unpredictability’ in the stories.”

Hallelujah is all I have to say. That magazine needs a shake up in a big, bad way. Let’s just hope they actually follow through, and in a well thought-out manner - truly taking into account the changes in both America in general, as well as the fashion and publishing industries.

This can’t be about just throwing money at the situation because really, they already do that. And we’re pretty sure those McKinsey consultants aren’t going to be increasing anyone’s budgets over at 4 Times Square.

But this is a good thing. I’ve always found that tighter budgets, in the end, lead to more creative solutions and final products.

Mixing in some young photographers sounds like a very good start indeed. And please, please let’s shake up the rotation on the covers. We’ve seen Sienna, Cameron, Gwyneth (yes,even our beloved Gwyneth), and Nicole enough. And lord knows they’re not saying anything earth-shattering in those interviews.

While they’re at it, I hope they focus on a wider range of stylish, interesting New Yorkers. They don’t all work at Vogue (not that they aren’t interesting and stylish women) and they could definitely spice up the pages.

I could go on for days. But I’d actually love to hear what you guys would do with the venerable American fashion title if you were given the reins on a redesign.

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posted by guest

Jul 28, 2009 11:17AM

New Yorkers? How about stylish women around the country? They did a piece a while back about shopping in different cities and I thought that was so interesting.

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posted by guest

Jul 28, 2009 11:21AM

more women of color, and not even african american just no more lily white covers month after month (yes that means pretentious gwynny!!). and if u think the michelle o, beyonce, liya/jourdan thing counts it doesn't cuz it will prob never happen again!!

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posted by Abby Gardner

Jul 28, 2009 11:22AM

Touche, Guest 1. Yes - women from all over the country! Being a girl from the midwest, I should have been thinking more inclusively. xA

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posted by guest

Jul 28, 2009 11:23AM

i agree with guest 1. i live in houston and would be super excited if vogue deigned to think that someone around these parts is as deserving of some ink as their venerable new yorkers (not that i'm dissing you guys at all).

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posted by darcykins

Jul 28, 2009 11:24AM

This could be very good news.

I whole-heartedly agree on finding some new cover models (less blond Hollywood leading actresses in the 35-45 range).

And I would love to see editorials with some stylish women not just from the fashion or movie business.
I'm thinking women like Karen Kain, artistic director of the National Ballet of Canada, Or maybe some architects?

I would also broaden this to include more than new yorkers, i'm sure there are some fashionable women in other parts of the country/world.

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posted by guest

Jul 28, 2009 11:40AM

yes. yes. revamp--woot!
am. vogue has become a yearbook for ues socials and the eds who heart them.
let's get back to fashion.

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posted by guest

Jul 28, 2009 11:49AM

First, they need to stop being unrealistic. There needs to more attainable clothing in Vogue, not just thousands of dollars worth of anything you can put on your body.

Less stories that don't mean anything. Less actresses that don't inspire. It's become a magazine that one buys just as a formality.

The photo shoots also need to be something besides a model in front of a wall. I've seen all the couture poses from ANTM that I can handle. lol

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posted by guest

Jul 28, 2009 11:50AM

Photographer spotlights with their spreads.
Designer perspectives on collections and trends. More of a national/cultural take on fashion and what it means. I would love to see it work to educate america on the art and craft of fashion..... Bring it back to the glossy fashion bible that it can be! Product placements are a snore and ELLE and rag mads like Lucky have that market cornered. More Models less celebs!

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posted by guest

Jul 28, 2009 11:52AM

I feel that Vogue should keep New York, but make it more raw = everyone in New York whether it's Chelsea or Brooklyn etc. I think that is a great idea with fresh, young photographers even though Demarchelier/Lindbergh are wonderful I know some up and coming photographers have more "edge." I also think that covers should stray away from "celebrity" and move more towards fashion designers and models, especially I mean HELLO, they produce this huge market that consumes America!

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posted by sydneyt

Jul 28, 2009 11:55AM

I'd love to see actual MODELS on the covers! & I agree with #1, featuring women from all around the country. They also need to shake up their shoots a little, they've had a few good oens, but i'm sick of watching Trentini jump. Vogue has been so dull!

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posted by darcykins

Jul 28, 2009 11:58AM

ahahaha, as soon as i read this sydneyt, i thought of caroline trentini jumping, jumping for david sims.

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posted by AmandaMichele

Jul 28, 2009 12:03PM

Giveaways!! Like in Vogues overseas where instead of a lengthy article about this season's mascara or red lipstick, they have interesting articles and pictures in the magazine and give away product samples from the advertisers!

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posted by guest

Jul 28, 2009 12:24PM

I agree with the comments on expanding the view outside of NYC, and putting women of different colors and backgrounds on the cover. I honestly don't mind how expensive the clothes are; I like the fantasy aspect. But I would like to see more diversity in the stories and shoots (#10, you are hilarious and correct. No more jumps!). The spreads that actually tell a story, i.e. the Alice in Wonderland one back in the day, or the more recent Romeo & Juliet. Obviously I don't expect VOGUE to be a fairy tale every month, but I am referencing that kind of creativity, instead of model on bridge jumping. I feel like most people that write stories in Up Front or Nostalgia are already connected to VOGUE in some way, and so the perspective seems a bit redundant.

In a nutshell: Diversity!

xoxo
KateDarling.Blogspot.com

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posted by Jean Voltaire

Jul 28, 2009 12:24PM

Get rid of Anna Wintour - I think the woman is one of the most important figures in the industry - the business side of the industry. If she were smart she would open up her own consulting firm - she would make more millions than the ones she earns at Vogue.

Vogue needs NEW talent. The same people have been working there for decades and sadly, the women who read Vogue twenty years ago are probably not reading it today. People change with the times and let's face it - Vogue definately needs a change.

As for the whole adding women from all over the country? I don't know how I feel about that. I don't think I would want to see the latest fashions from some of America's most venerable designers on a thirty-something year old farmer's wife.

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posted by brett_kane

Jul 28, 2009 12:29PM

The heritage of Vogue is in New York, stretching to its earliest incarnation as a society magazine in the vein of Town and Country.

Socialites have been featured in Vogue ever since, even during Diana Vreeland's editor-ship, arguably the golden age of Vogue.

But Vogue features women all over the country: in this past issue there was a fabulous article on Marissa Mayer, a truly inspiring executive at Google who lives in Mountain View, CA, right near me.

And I'm so tired of hearing this diversification argument.

Lakshmi Menon, Chanel Iman, Du Juan, Sesilee Lopez, Naomi Campbell, Iman, Michelle Obama, Beyonce, Desiree Rogers are all, if I'm not mistaken, women of color.

Furthermore, when Vogue strays from their usual list of cover girls as they have this year (Blake lively, Beyonce, Anne Hathaway) I feel like they have been lambasted for it. They can't win.


Fashion, as it appears in Vogue, is aspirational, and if they cheapen their image, it means they are turning their back on everything VOGUE represents. which for me, is much more than a magazine, it's a glimpse into a world most people can only dream about. And I think they've come a long way in terms of featuring haute and humble, together, even as early as 2004, I remember a fabulous shoot with Liya Kebede (another woman of color, natch) that was all about the high-low.

(NOTE: they did majorly feature a reasonably priced dress from Milly this month that was lovely)

Not to sound to much like Stanley Tucci, but for me, growing up in Florida, where I had to go around watching flip flops and jogging clothes worn with fake louis vuitton, VOGUE sustained me. VOGUE was there as- for lack of a better term- a beacon of hope. A visual representation of all this is good in the world. Craft, luxury, style. Couture, worn by the women who actually buy it.

And now all of you have turned your back on Anna and the Magazine just as it needs you the most, and I'm ashamed.

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posted by guest

Jul 28, 2009 12:31PM

Jean,

Sorry, had to respond to your comment. First off, there are more than farms outside NY. Secondly, I don't think (I could be wrong) that anyone is suggesting that VOGUE use average women in Minnesota to model. But the perspective is always, NY, NY, NY. I love that city, but I live in Chicago, and I get to see up close some very brilliant designers that no one knows about. Maria Pinto got recognition because of the First Lady, but besides that, most are in the shadow of NY designers. In this global economy and industry, there is no reason that readers can't get a glimpse into a showroom here, or in Houston, Miami, Seattle, etc.

Kate Darling

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posted by shharvin

Jul 28, 2009 12:48PM

THANK GOD,

Vogue is so boring. Hopefully I won't have serious buyers remourse after picking up a copy of Vogue each month, hoping it's gotten a little more interesting. Maybe the styling for spreads will be more interesting. I'm so tired of the head-to-toe runway looks.

Also, I hope they lose the stories about rich lady's new summer homes.

Yawnsville.

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posted by guest

Jul 28, 2009 12:55PM

Where VOGUE's fashion pages are supposed to be aspirational, I hope their new cover-women and interviewee's will keep this in mind too. I want powerful, inspirational women to look up to; not socialites or celebrities.

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posted by old soul

Jul 28, 2009 12:58PM

This is wonderful news! I'm thrilled, I've gotten a little embarrassed for Vogue.

Totally agree on the editorials, would love to see more creative spreads like the Romeo and Juliet one. Something edgy would also be nice, maybe Carine would let them borrow Emmanuelle Alt for a bit.

The other big thing I'd love to see is more intelligent articles. Vanity Fair does a great job of getting fantastic writers publishing serious pieces on interesting topics, I'd love to see Vogue to step it up similarly. Would be a refreshing change from the usual parade of pseudo-thoughtful socialite writers whining about their mothers.

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posted by guest

Jul 28, 2009 1:02PM

Put people on the cover who are actually relevant to fashion. What do Nicole Kidman or Cameron Diaz have to do with fashion? Nothing, except that sometimes ont he red carpet their stylists put them in pretty dresses (and that can't always be said for Cameron...). One of the principal reasons the Michelle Obama cover did so well is because she actually has a role in the American fashion consciousness. Vogue should be taking more risks! Put Lady Gaga on the cover - she is one of the most spoken about fashionistas on the planet right not. Or Rihanna, even (talk about taking fashion risks!).

And amen to no more pictures of jumping, Or in front of bland, boring walls. I'm sick of Caroline Trentini and Raquel Zimmerman looking vapid!!

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posted by rf

Jul 28, 2009 1:06PM

yo.
alls i'm sayin' is that i want an olsen on the cover.

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posted by RashomonRebel

Jul 28, 2009 1:09PM

Listen, all Anna needs to do is start wearing those hot Jil Sander earrings, listen to the Stooges and watch this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fK07lnS-P5I

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posted by guest

Jul 28, 2009 1:42PM

It is about time!

Vogue has been out of touch with readers for a while in terms of both editorial and content. It lacks both energy and excitement and does little to create enthusiasm amongst its readers.

I feel as though the editor as well as her daughter have overshadowed the content.

Not to mention the celebrities who have graced its covers. Zzzz...

I have to say I miss the days where models(who dare I say, could wear the clothes better) were on the cover.

We need a new generation of supermodels. Women who are not a size 00, but who actually have shape and personality. If I remember, that is what made the supermodels of the past so memorable.

I can't even remember who besides Turlington has graced the last few covers. I doubt many other readers do either.

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posted by Pretty Young Thing

Jul 28, 2009 1:55PM

Vogue's focus has become so honed on socialites and boring conservative fashions that the publication has become irrelevant to the humble homemakers in the midwest AND uninspiring to dedicated fashion-addicts... as it stands, they can't win, and this change must occur for them to regain a spot in the market. That said, Vogue DOES sell the dream- if you want accessible styles or trashy celebrity interviews pick up Elle or Marie Claire. I actually wrote about my ideal September Vogue just the other day for PYT (http://pytmedia.com)... throw in Rihanna as cover-girl, some Mert & Marcus, Inez & Vinoodh, Greg Kadel, and hot young models, plus a little sarcastic wit, and we've got perfection. Are you listening Anna?

--> http://pytmedia.com/?p=4947

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posted by guest

Jul 28, 2009 1:56PM

Guest #1 here: I loved the Marissa Mayer piece! More like that. Interesting women doing interesting things from a fashion perspective. And more models, less celebs/socialites.

Also- have to stick up for FL. Tons of cheese but also some amazing Latin American designers. Miami style is evolving, though it's a slow process!

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posted by guest

Jul 28, 2009 2:01PM

-guys without their shirts on.
-embarrassing confessions
-tell alls
-celeb gossip
-penis

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posted by guest

Jul 28, 2009 2:04PM

Brett,

I grew up in Ft. Wayne, IN, so I totally understood the Stanley Tucci line, both in the movie, and when you used it here. When I go home to visit, I see girls wearing Uggs in bars, and I'm as shocked as Reese with her "baby in a bar" moment. :)

I love that you are defending VOGUE so passionately! But I don't think anyone is turning their back on it; most of the criticism here, I feel, is constructive. I will always keep my subscription, and I really, really want to see the publishing industry as a whole survive and thrive.

There's no pleasing everyone, and I think if anyone had Anna's job they would be criticized for something. A question was asked here, and we answered it. If anyone really hates VOGUE, then it's probably not the magazine for them. For the rest of us, we love it unconditionally, but were simply offering up suggestions.

xoxo,
KateDarling.Blogspot.com

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posted by Jean Voltaire

Jul 28, 2009 2:04PM

Kate,

You have to understand that the comment I made was a bit... sarcastic? But thanks for educating me about America, I honestly had no idea there were other places besides farms...

As for the whole NYC argument? The reason most fashion magazines in America are based out of NY, is because NY is a global city. Many New Yorkers even feel that it isn't part of the country, it's a seperate destination, if you will. New York Fashion Week is the ONLY fashion week of true importance in the country and anyone who is anyone chooses to show their work on that platform.

And I have to disagree with many people here - Vogue is not JUST about New York women and New York fashion. There are pieces involving women from all over the country and frankly, all over the world. The main problem at Vogue, is the magazine is aimed at the 45-60 age range - these are women who are financially stable who can afford most of the fashions in the magazine. Hence the growing number of pointless interviews and articles featured month after month.

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posted by guest

Jul 28, 2009 2:08PM

1. Fire La Wintnour and elevate Grace Coddington to editor in chief. Coddy rocks and her boss puts the kabosh on most of her ideas. Then she can bring in a whole bunch of kids to help out.
2. Realize that it's 2009 (going on 2010) NOT 1990.
3. MODELS.
4. Real writing by interesting people NOT by socialites (they should look at Vogue in the 50s and 60s and Harper's Bazaar in the 30s and 40s).
5. Keep Irving Penn.
6. Mix high and low like La Vreeland. Banish "Good Taste."
7. Features on stylish, interesting women from all over the country (hell, world).

Why didn't they ask us in the first place?

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posted by Jean Voltaire

Jul 28, 2009 2:10PM

No! Anna needs to take Grace with her!

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posted by guest

Jul 28, 2009 2:12PM

i agree with guest # 29.
I like Grace... and her cats.

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posted by guest

Jul 28, 2009 2:24PM

Jean,

Well, it's good to know you were joking. Surely a broader perspective on both age and region would benefit the magazine, yes?

#29, you have some great ideas! I also love Grace C.

#26, either you are being funny, or you should check out Cosmo. :)

Kate Darling

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posted by guest

Jul 28, 2009 2:33PM

This is guest #26.
OMG, I love Cosmo.
Thanks Kate Darling.

But actually I wasn't being funny but certainly facetious.

I'm worried about Vogue.

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posted by guest

Jul 28, 2009 2:40PM

Class it up a bit, like Paris Vogue.
More tits and boobies!!!

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posted by vansant2625

Jul 28, 2009 2:52PM

There needs to be an uprising at Vogue. Maybe everyone on Vogue's floor should march into Wintour's office with burning torches, aka copies of Sept 2007's issue set aflame, and "escort" her out of 4 Times Square.

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posted by guest

Jul 28, 2009 2:58PM

its going to take a lot more than the above mentioned changes to bring vogue back up to par. anna, honey, get with it. youre turning vogue into a big, stuffy, beige, lump of blah.

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posted by Jean Voltaire

Jul 28, 2009 2:59PM

Ooh I like your idea A LOT!

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posted by guest

Jul 28, 2009 3:38PM

No more celebrities on the cover! And pleeeaaaase stop with the socialites telling us what to take for a weekend in the Hamptons!!!!
Change is good. I´m looking forward to a new Vogue.

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posted by guest

Jul 28, 2009 4:13PM

I'm so sick of Vogue's socialite fixation. I canceled my subscription after one particularly horrific article about wallpaper by Plum Sykes a few years ago...

I'd love to see them occasionally feature talent (designers, photographers, models) that are virtually unheard of. They have such power to make a person's career I don't see why they don't use it in full force instead of constantly regurgitating the same thing every month.

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posted by vickystadler

Jul 28, 2009 5:33PM

I definitely agree with some of the comments already made. Vogue needs to implement beautiful and chic women from all over the country to cater to a bigger audience. Also, less "cookie-cutter" covers; I would love to see 12 radically different people featured during the year. Designers on covers could be interesting, too. They have a very different perspective than actresses and models.

While I do not mind the expensive clothing (it's fabulous to look at, and is there is something to be said for being the "cream of the crop" in any industry), they should include a monthly section in every issue of affordable pieces one can go out and purchase.

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posted by guest

Jul 28, 2009 5:41PM

I subscribe to vogue... well, just because it's VOGUE. But I also subscribe to 14 other magazines and Vogue is probably one of the last on my reading list. Paris Vogue, to me, is truly inspiring. Look at the HUGE editorial they just did showcasing designers! It was on plain background but STUNNING nonetheless. I wish I could say the same about Trentini jumping editorials. To me, Vogue ISN't inspirational. I DON'T want to be Plum Sykes or Alexandra Kotur or Anna... but I would give my left arm to swap places with Carine or Anna Dello Russo. Vogue needs new blood (that isn't necessarily blue) and a younger feel to it. I'm not saying it should be the new Nylon or Teen Vogue, but it seems to be aimed at 50-60 year old society women. While they may read Vogue, other demographics DO exist (like 18 year old midwestern college students, for example) I think Conde Nast should radically change it so American Vogue can go back to truly being the aspirational fashion bible that it SHOULD be.

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posted by guest

Jul 28, 2009 5:48PM

I would like there to be more focus on designers. Celebrities and socialites wear fashion... but they dont create it, and they usually dont wear it very well besides.

But the thing that bothers me the most about vogue is the clutter! the layouts, and texts and all the art direction really bothers me and I never know where on the page to look. It would be such a better magazine if it was just a bit simpler.

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posted by grammyweezy

Jul 28, 2009 6:12PM

I definitely agree with some of the other commentators on the point that Vogue shouldn't become too much about affordable things a la Marie Claire, for example. I am okay with not being able to afford anything in vogue because I consider a lot of the fashion included in its pages art, and not something that I would necessarily even want to wear. It's just splendid to look at and dream about. That said, I'm really excited for a revamp!

Kate Darling, I always enjoy your comments. Will you make an avatar please? :)

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posted by guest

Jul 28, 2009 7:11PM

Thank you, GrammyWeezy! That is very kind of you. :)

I have definitely tried to create one, along with a profile, but I never receive the confirmation email that I apparently need (not even in my junk mail). If you have any helpful advice, I would very much appreciate it! In the meantime, feel free to check out my blog:
KateDarling.Blogspot.com

Thanks again! xoxo

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posted by guest

Jul 28, 2009 7:50PM

It's funny that Wayne's comment made such a splash when clearly Vogue has been trying to revamp for the past few months already. But yeah, they have a lot farther to go.

Better models, better photographers, better stylists, better writers. Vogue has its head so far up its own ass that it still thinks it's got the best in the business...when in fact the business moved on from where Vogue is like 5 years ago.

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posted by mollymc18

Jul 28, 2009 10:47PM

I actually start an internship at Vogue tomorrow (in the accessories department) and I am chronicling my experience on my blog, so I will try to scope out as much on the changing tides at the magazine as I can :)

http://mmmusings-molly.blogspot.com/

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posted by guest

Jul 29, 2009 12:15AM

no more celebrities please! and as much as i love trentini..no more jumping!


and this is really off subject but does anyone here know how i can get into the fashion spot.com? ive been the waiting list for ages and i dont think they will ever accept..and i just wanna join so badly! any advice would be welcome =)

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posted by guest

Jul 29, 2009 11:22AM

I realize that New Yorkers think they are the be-all and end-all of all things fashionable and attractive, but Vogue probably needs a wider audience than the island of Manhatten to survive. Therefore, it would behoove them to make an effort at attracting readers from the rest of the nation. You might be shocked, but some of us in "fly-over country" are actually interested in beautiful things, whether or not we are married to farmers.

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posted by guest

Jul 29, 2009 1:25PM

get rid of that old stodgy cow of an editor.

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posted by guest

Jul 29, 2009 2:29PM

Vogue is nationwide. It touches the heart and fashion souls of everyone else outside of New York. I would like to see more diversity from the style or the articles so I don't have to hesitate when I renew my subscriptions.

+ Keep the nostalgia section
+ Keep Andre Leon Talley's column.
+ I love it when they used to do a piece on "Manners" in Flash. I wish they would keep this.
+ More fashion models! (Christy Turlington was superb for August!)
+ Please, please, please don't resort to getting Kiera Knightly to do a cover once a year, every year.
- Less emphasis on Columbia art majors. I heard Anna's daughter is a Columbia graduate, so maybe that's why they get so much recognizition? But, still... there are other art majors from OTHER schools, lol.

Don't be afraid to branch out, Vogue!

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posted by guest

Jul 29, 2009 4:30PM

I get that Vogue has expensive clothing on the pages so that one can dream, or buy if you have the money...

BUT...the fashion industry is SUFFERING.
Prices are too high, people can't afford the items that are made. Someone needs to make some sacrifices.

Luxury fashion is inelastic. I can find a sale. I can go to a consignment store, or pick up a Forever 21 dress and shoes for the night out and still look great.

I don't think they realize that they are the ones who need to change. Vogue's suffering because the world is changing and we want something different.

I think young people now, want to see the dream AND be the dream.

One last thought/instance:
I see YSL Tributes to DIE for. There's no way I can afford them. I see a pretty good knockoff pair for a fraction of the price. I buy those. YSL loses my purchase, and then cannot afford to pay Vogue as much in advertising.

It's simple. Either YSL changes, or Vogue promotes other designers whose prices are astronomical (and who will also give them money for advertising).

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posted by guest

Jul 29, 2009 11:09PM

I have wanted to see Rihanna on the cover of Vogue for the longest time..

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posted by guest

Jul 31, 2009 2:30PM

I used to read it every month, but it has become oh-so-stale... There is a niche it has to fill; but it is loosing even that safe haven

-no to Sykes, Rust, any socialites of any kind; no more of their house/estates/vacations/wardrobe picks/favorite flowers/crap.
- No to Norwich
- No to Wintour, Coddington, Leibovitz (sp?). No to Nostalgia

- yes to photo editorials with zest or atmosphere or story
- yes to designers and not just the established houses getting most of the spotlight
- yes to mixing in vintage, hi-lo, yes to treating it less like a shopping catalogue - if the content is great they can still get the ad revenue...
- yes to arts/culture/politics/etc. review
- yes,yes,yes to amazing writing

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