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Dressing the Part

soniasotomayorjudiciaryhearings.jpgHaving a career in fashion and magazines has always meant that I have not had to follow many of the stricter dress code rules that some of my female friends have had to over the course of their careers. Of course, we’ve got our own codes in this business, but that’s a different matter.

I remember the first summer we all lived in NYC after college and the envy I witnessed in the eyes of my friends heading off to their jobs at Goldman or McKinsey, their looks completed with panty hose and closed toed shoes. I was in a skirt (sans hose, of course) and sandals.

I thought of this when reading Robin Givhan’s piece in the yesterday’s Washington Post on the sartorial choices of Sonia Sotomayor during last week’s Senate Judiciary Committee hearings.

Obviously, had a man been up for the Supreme Court spot, this article would never have been written. But women in every field are frequently judged on their attire. But the fact remains that this is especially true when they play in what has long been considered a boys’ league.

Givhan posits that while femininity has become more acceptable in boardrooms, etc, Sonia Sotomayor opted to go rather old-school, in the form of the “lady power broker” of the ’80s, with very little in the way of accessories.Givhan writes “She didn’t take advantage of the freedoms that fashion offers, and she expressed little personality. Instead, her clothes said simply, in matters of law and justice: ‘I am palatable. I am familiar. And in addition to my ethnicity, I also know how to leave my gender at the door.’”

Now, this may just be Sonia Sotomayor’s personal style, and if so, that’s great. But the larger issue for me is that, well, this is still an issue and that there is a strong likelihood that she did indeed think about the exact things Givhan points out. And I recognize that it is a challenge for so many women.

I just really wish it wasn’t so, don’t you?

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posted by guest

Jul 20, 2009 11:57AM

McKinsey.

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posted by jadejag

Jul 20, 2009 11:58AM

I think I prefer an impartial judge; not being even the slightest bit adventurous in her sartorial choices is alright by me.

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posted by nycshoegal

Jul 20, 2009 12:00PM

the obsession over female politician attire in this country is pretty foreign to me. I grew up in a country where in politics it essentially doesn't matter what you wear as long as you get the job done. so...i frankly could kind of care less what is it Michelle or Sonya or Hillary wear.

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posted by guest

Jul 20, 2009 12:43PM

I would like to think that a women can be strong ,intelligent and still care about fashion. Why does a women have to choose. To me , that sound very sexist and old fashioned.

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posted by guest

Jul 20, 2009 12:59PM

I think it is because men have a uniform. They don't have much choice. Woman have so many different choices in their wardrobe. Maybe that is what the DVF quote is also hinting at, men's fashion designers are creating costumes- while woman's designers are creating clothes (not sure if that's exactly it) woman have the choice to wear adventurous outfits and get away with it.

Anyway- woman's outfits are talked about in the work place because there are many options and sometimes they stray from what is appropriate.

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posted by guest

Jul 20, 2009 1:02PM

Hmm, it's interesting to me that fashion doesn't matter in politics or the courtroom, as long as they "get the job done", but it matters in how we are perceived by men. Sorry, the two issues are inextricable to me.

I agree that what a woman wears shouldn't matter, and I can't help but wonder if our focus on Sotomayor's attire plays into the double standard, or if we are just wired to notice details like that? Men certainly have fewer choices than us, but I still notice a really good suit when I see one.

While I can see Givhan's point, Sotomayor did make good use of color last week, which to me expressed boldness in itself.

But yes, I do wish we could get past the damn clothes, and race, for that matter, and see her for what she is: a well-qualified, driven, experienced judge.

Have a great Monday!

KateDarling.blogspot.com

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posted by guest

Jul 20, 2009 1:04PM

p.s. I am not trying to hide behind anonymity. I have tried to set up a profile, and the confirmation email never arrives. If anyone can help, I would very much appreciate it! xo!

Kate Darling

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posted by nycshoegal

Jul 20, 2009 2:02PM

Kate Darling, I assume you are bringing us back to the naked Rhianna in public issue. i see that the reason of "appropriateness" is lost on you.
if Sotomayor decided to opt for pasties - i'd have an issue with that too and i'm sure I wouldn't be the only one.

i was just saying that the obsession with political figure's wardrobes seems a bit exaggerated and silly since there's obviously more important issues to concentrate on. yes, a nice suite is great but a suite will only get one so far.

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posted by guest

Jul 20, 2009 2:19PM

I am sure Sotomayor was being deliberate in her sartorial choices. The statement, "I am palatable. I am familiar. And in addition to my ethnicity, I also know how to leave my gender at the door." was clearly intended in light of the GOP argument that she was injecting a personal agenda into her work. It was perfect, just brilliant. Now I do not ever try to look anything but palatable and familiar on my job interviews, so I quite understand. Once confirmed, she might choose to wear a unobstrusive scarf, or perhaps a bit of jewelry, or, she may not, which is perfectly okay by me. I'm just so damn happy she just might become part of one the SCOTUS. I really could care less about whether she's wearing Armani or Talbots. (And might I add, I am rarely blase about fashion)

kayonyc.com

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posted by guest

Jul 20, 2009 2:22PM

NYCShoeGal, I'm pretty sure a few senators' heads would have exploded had she wore those! :)

No, Sonia Sotomayor is not an entertainer, so I doubt she ever would have considered making such a fashion statement. I was simply pointing out that in one post, you stated that it was no wonder that women are treated as sex dolls when they wear things such as Rihanna wore, and yet you poo poo the American media's focus on what female politicians wear. So by your logic, we are not to judge a woman's competence by her clothes-just let her get the job done-but in another arena, it's completely acceptable to make assumptions based purely on clothing. Can you appreciate how these statements contrast each other just a bit?

Look, I'm not on here to push my point of view, or put anyone down. I love debating because it presents different POVs, and opens my mind to those, and in speaking my mind, I hope to do the same. One century ago, it was taboo to ahow our ankles, so I think fashion, and society's standards will still be evolving for some time.

xo, Kate Darling

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posted by nycshoegal

Jul 20, 2009 2:44PM

KateD, I don't think I ever made an assumption on Rhianna. I just said it was inappropriate.
yes ppl, especially women, are judged by what they wear constantly, however they are even more so judged on what they actually do.
So when i'm picking my political favorites, i'd rather concentrate on the latter.
plus i think the two subjects are very different and hardly comparable... hmm naked vs. clothed OR Anne Taylor vs. Hugo Boss. not quite the same argument, are they?
or maybe i am just missing something.

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posted by guest

Jul 20, 2009 3:09PM

male reader with two comments: (1) although on one hand i agree that female double standard in professional attire is a burden on women, it is on the other hand another tool that a woman can use to her advantage. a professional man dresses more like he's in the army - forced to do it right, show up ironed, polished, and no loose buttons or people will notice then judge. women can either fall short of prevailing standards, meet the prevailing standards in a classy way (most straight men's goal), or exceed and knock the breath out of everyone in the room. a man who goes for that is more likely to be outcast as a pretty boy or have his hetero-ness questioned (perhaps for good reason). (2) my reaction was that stmr wanted come off as approachable. she failed. although the accounts of those close to her portray a genuinely nice human being, i was put off by her attempt to project that caricature of herself to a national audience or a panel of senators. she's a smart, austere judge. i would have been happier if she'd made no overtures w/ her clothes and just showed up in dark suits. on the other hand, maybe it was a last hurrah before having to wear black for the rest of her career.

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posted by guest

Jul 20, 2009 3:20PM

nycshoegal,

That is "suit," not "suite." The latter being pronounced "sweet."

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posted by nycshoegal

Jul 20, 2009 3:27PM

sorry #13 and thank you, i do know the difference just for the record haha.
my work has been distracting me from proper commenting today ;)

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posted by guest

Jul 20, 2009 3:53PM

Robin Givhan did not write about John Roberts's sartorial choices when he was nominated to the Supreme Court.

However, she did find time to write about his wife and kids, saying they resembled "a trio of Easter eggs, a handful of jelly bellies, three little Necco wafers."

An Image a Little Too Carefully Coordinated, Washington Post (7/22/05)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/21/AR2005072102347.html

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posted by guest

Jul 20, 2009 3:58PM

#12, I completely agree with the dark suit thing-it would have seemed more effortless. Although you make a good point with the "last hurrah" theory. It's nice to have a male perspective on here as well, so welcome.

NYC,
Your "sex dolls" comment had me believing that you were totally judging Rihanna. Did I misunderstand that? If so, feel free to elaborate. The two subjects, in my opinion, are related because of the perception of women in both. I completely agree that political figures should be judged by what they do, not what they wear; I just want to extend that same consideration to all women, even entertainers who push the fashion envelope (which one could argue is part of their job).

Overall, your name leads me to believe that we have more in common than not, since NYC is tied with London as my favorite city, and shoes are my favorite part of getting dressed. So I hope you understand that my disagreement is nothing personal, and I welcome and respect your opinions.

xoxo
Kate Darling

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posted by guest

Jul 20, 2009 4:00PM

I agree with 12 in a way... The difference in the way what women wear vs. what men wear is perceived by the world isnt necessarily a double standard. Men and women are different, and have different rules/abilities when it comes to clothing. I dont think this is bad. We are not the same as men physically or mentally, and we shouldnt be. Can we not accept that?

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posted by guest

Jul 20, 2009 4:03PM

I don't know how will you read it, but Sotomayor transpires as a top quality person with a bad taste for clothing to my old world eyes. The clothes have awful colors and poor tailoring. I wonder if any one cares to discuss their makers. Besides, her hair does a disservice to her expressive face. Mladen

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posted by nycshoegal

Jul 20, 2009 4:34PM

oh Kate Darling, not taking it personal at all! I sure do love a good argument. I think we have that in common as well ;)

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posted by guest

Jul 20, 2009 6:54PM

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couldnt care less ≠ could care less

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posted by guest

Jul 20, 2009 7:09PM

judge sotomayor, whom I happen to know, is just simply not terribly interested in fashion. which is okay too. there's no reason why women "need" to be adventurous or put a lot of thought into how the dress if it doesn't interest them. She dressed appropriately for the occasion. end of story.

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posted by guest

Jul 20, 2009 8:51PM

#17... with clothing we don't have to "just accept" any rules. Women aren't born with a biological desire to wear heels, it's taught. Gender roles need to be constantly reassessed to keep up with the times.

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posted by guest

Jul 20, 2009 9:07PM

I think it's so old-fashioned. It's like women showing their ankles during the early 1900s. I don't want to look like a man or a shapeless blob in public. I consider myself a feminist and rather liberal on most issues, yet I think women should look like women. And there is nothing wrong with knowing what colors or cuts look good on you. In my opinion, eighties power-suits (especially bright ones) never look good. Obviously there's nothing wrong with simplicity, but I think you should at least flatter yourself!

And why can't women be taken seriously if they are fashionable? I think the men who can't keep it in their pants in the courtroom are the ones who should be looked down upon.

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posted by guest

Jul 25, 2009 2:22AM

isn't she wearing a massive cuff in the photo? and some huge watch? jackets a bit big so it does look sloppy, just needs tailoring but like her acquaintance says she doesn't care much and why should she?

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