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A nudge in the right direction

Apr 12, 2008 @ 3:43am

anne hathaway andy.jpgDear Fashionista,


I am in my last year of my Bachelor of Arts (majoring in Political studies and Spanish) and Law undergraduate degree. After five years of my studies I've come to a realization that I really do not want to pursue a career in any of these fields. Instead, I am beginning to have the courage to pursue something I actually ENJOY - fashion, design and all things aesthetically pleasing.

Ideally I would love to work at a fashion magazine; editing, reporting, writing. Do you have any suggestions/ideas on what my next step could be? Is it a worthwhile to go to a fashion/media school or should I work my charm to get any bottom-level job to build up my CV?? I know the industry is incredibly competitive but I would regret not even having a go at this whence I am an old lady.

Any comments or suggestions would be so greatly appreciated!

Thank you!
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posted by Natalie Hormilla

Apr 16, 2008 4:54PM

Hi Safron,

Ok, here is my honest advice: first and foremost on your list should be internships. You really and truly cannot get a job at a fashion magazine unless you have 2 or 3 good internships on your resume - unless you have a famous last name, famous friends, or are willing to accept a position at US Weekly.

The problem though, is that most major magazines, like all Conde Nast magazines (think Vogue, Teen Vogue, Allure, etc) require that you have school credit. So, this could be a problem for you. I would suggest trying to get a first internship at a smaller publication (like Interview or... Fashionista!!) then move your way upward from there.

It's going to take a while, and I'll tell you right now that you won't like it, but honestly, it has to be done. There is no other way than to put your time in with internships.

As far as journalism school, most people will tell you the same thing - that it's a waste of time, that no one cares if you go, and that it's time better spent working your way up as an assistant (though those people would presumably be the type of people who interned all through their college careers, like most of us did.) BUT, I feel like I should mention that two of my previous intern bosses both went to journalism school (one at Columbia, the other at University of Chicago), and one of them is often noted as "very young for her position." So, take what you will from that.

But what I really want to stress to you is the importance of internships. You really need to get on that right away, and since you're still technically in school (do you have a full year left? or do you mean that you are graduating this spring?) it might be a little easier.

That said, I should tell you also that most internships are unpaid, and I mean REALLY unpaid - most do not even offer a stipend, Metro card or lunch, so it's going to be a hard road if you do not have deep pockets. Another sad but true fact.

Ok. I think I've informed/scared you enough for one day. I'll let Britt pick up from here since her words might have a little more relevance to your situation - she, too, had a somewhat late-in-the-game change of heart.

Good Luck!

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posted by guest

Apr 17, 2008 12:04AM

I'm curious why school credit is necessary. I'm not trying to get into the field, but the requirement strikes me as strange at first blush.

posted by safron

Apr 17, 2008 7:11AM

Hi Natalie,

Thank you for your hearty input! I did not think anyone would even bother.

I am glad to hear that internships are more valuable than a journalism course. I'm in Auckland, New Zealand and, let me tell you the journalism courses in New Zealand are nothing to boast about. The thought of putting in another year (after five hard-going yards) at a semi-related course would've broken my wallet and spirit.

As much of a cop-out as it sounds, however, the internship pursuit may have to be put on hold until April next year: this semester's workload is really pushing my limits and next semester (July onward) is my exchange time in Stockholm, Sweden! I am more excited about actually witnessing the stylie studs on Swedes than the thrilling (sarcasm intended) course in EU intellectual property law.

I guess it's all about grabbing the bull by its balls, as crude as that may sound! It's a scary thought to leave much of what I've trained for behind and dive into something wholly different. I am thinking of proposing a fashion slot on my friend's radio show and just begging (or forcefully recommending myself) to the few fashion/design magazines we have in Auckland.

Of course I would love LOVE to work for publications such as Fashionista! If you need a correspondent in the future, give me a nudge!

posted by Laia

Apr 17, 2008 10:41AM

To the guest:

They require school credit as a sort of insurance or something or other security. In case anything happens I guess they can't just have somebody working there for no compensation at all but school credit means that you're getting something out of it. I'm not entirely sure of what this is, but this is what an editor at Conde told me when I went for an interview for an internship there.

posted by skint and mint

Apr 17, 2008 2:55PM

i don't understand why journalism school isn't relevant. how are you supposed to get an internship for something if you're not even studying it?

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posted by williamwallace

Apr 18, 2008 9:36AM

I have been waiting for a post like this since I have been reading fashionista. I have a question along the same lines, pertaining to Fashionista exclusively....

When do you start looking for interns for the following year? Rather, the next "school year?" I am going to Parsons next year for Design and Management, and would like to start my internships right away. What is the process for Fashionista interns?

Thanks!
-Willie

posted by skint and mint

Apr 19, 2008 12:10PM

i don't understand why journalism school isn't relevant. how are you supposed to get an internship for something if you're not even studying it?

posted by britt

Apr 20, 2008 11:30PM

So, yes, Natalie and I took very different paths to get here, though both involved tons of internships. I was an English major in Boston which isn't exactly a sartorial hotspot, so when studying abroad came up I chose London based on work, not culture.

I landed a PR internship with one of my favorite designers, was blinded by the glitz, glamour, and hanging out with Gwenyth, and readily agreed to come work for their New York office post-graduation, regardless of the fact that I had no interest in PR whatsoever. So after about 6 months in New York, I quit to pursue writing. (The industry really is SO small that had I stayed any longer I would have been known as so and so's PR girl and it would have been extremely hard to break into the editorial side of the industry.)

I had already graduated but I kept 'interning' and doing some freelance PR for smaller companies to try and make contacts. I decided my best bet would be to go to J-school so I bought the GRE book and started collecting applications. In the meantime, I ended up at a party my boss couldn't go to and I met Faran. I e-mailed her and asked if I could intern at fashionista (yes, I was a 23 year old intern). I interned for a few months, then a freelanced and now I'm the assistant editor. I don't think things normally move that fast, but I also wouldn't say I got lucky. I worked seven days a a week for over a year between the retail job that paid my rent and the various internships I hoarded for contacts and experience.

I've discussed J-school with a handful of successful people in the industry, all of whom agree it's a great path for a war journalist, maybe not so necessary for a fashion journalist. And now that I have a foot in the door and a handful of contacts contacts, the GRE book's in the back of my closet and though I'll never say never I'm not going to put myself in extreme debt if I don't have to.

Anyway, this is really long! The bottom line is, meet people. Talk to everyone. That's the only solid advice I can give you because I took the randomest, most long-winded path to get here, but it worked! And Natalie took the most focused, straight path and it worked too! So, just don't give up. And good luck!

p.s. Willie - if you want a fall internship, keep reading the site. We always post when we're looking for interns!

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posted by Rose Tyler

Apr 22, 2008 4:24PM

I was thinking that Faran seemed to be very young and quite successful in this business. Can someone, maybe Faran herself, tell us her story.

posted by benjaminmaxfield

May 05, 2008 9:45AM

Can you intern with the stylist? how does anyone get into that line of work?

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posted by guest

May 09, 2008 10:40AM

Hello,Im 17 living in miami(where i grew up) and am moving to London to study at the London College of Fashion and eventually want to work at some sort of publication. What sort of internships would i be trying to get?? Like major fashion houses? What would magazine publications like to see on a resume concerning internships?
I dont know im just so confused.

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posted by guest

May 26, 2008 12:36PM

Wow! Way to waste an education you fool!

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posted by guest

May 28, 2008 10:54PM

A job is a job, it's all in your attitude about life. Didn't you watch the Fashionista Diaries? At least you can do law just about anywhere; fashion (and textiles in general) is so geo-centric. Of course, many people love the fashion world, I understand that, but at some point you've got to stick with a decision/direction and stop questioning yourself, saying "the grass is greener".

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posted by guest

May 31, 2008 11:57AM

They require school credit just for legal reasons... they don't want to pay you because that costs them money, but they're not allowed to not pay you anything at all. school credit essentially means it's a class and not a job, and it costs them nothing to give out. yay for free labor!

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posted by guest

Jun 03, 2008 3:17PM

Hi all! Question along the same lines...
I am also trying to break into the fashion magazine industry. I'm studying English and Communications and have internship experience. Here's the catch-my previous two internships have been doing fashion/beauty PR and my current internship is working in a designer's showroom. Am I wasting my time? Am I going to graduate only to have to find another internship specifically with a fashion publication?
If anyone has any advice, it would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks!

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