Often, when someone meets a designer or famous person, we’re bombarded with stories of how ‘real’ these mythical characters actually are in the flesh. But Burberry‘s Christopher Bailey is here to debunk those ridiculous relatable fables once and for all–and we are so, so grateful.

The designer dished on Donna Karan’s nocturnal working schedule (including 3AM massages, naturally), and what Tom Ford was wearing–or rather, not wearing–when he interviewed to be senior designer at the label.

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